> Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a VT52 to see what's
> there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
> have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT52? With a scale ruler? I
> can take one but it'll be a week or two until I'm in the right place.
Pic of botto
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Subject: Re: Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:31 PM, B M wrote:
> I have 3 sta
Darn. My hopes are shattered. Lots of Verilog in my future, that is if we can
find 360/50 ALDs...
Marc
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> On 07/11/2016 07:35 PM, Curious Marc wrote:
>> Thanks for the detailed answer. I see the front panels look remarkably
>> similar though.
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> Marc
> Sent: 12 July 2016 08:58
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> Subject: Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog
>
> Darn. My hopes are shattered. Lots of Verilog in my future, t
Ken's in-depth blog post to go with the previous video
http://www.righto.com/2016/07/restoring-y-combinators-xerox-alto-day_11.html
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Curious Marc wrote:
>
> Video from yesterday’s work on the Diablo cartridge disc:
> https://youtu.be/PR5LkQugBE0
> Should be up in a f
What's a POP? As long as it emulates all the registers connected to light and
switches that might do for me, but I was assuming these would very specific to
the CPU detailed innards.
Marc
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
>
> It actually might be easier to produce a generic S/360
Principles of Operation, I believe. Example:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/A22-6821-0
_360PrincOps.pdf
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Marc
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To: General Dis
Op 12 jul. 2016 5:50 a.m. schreef :
>
> Jon said:
> > LOTS of model /40s were sold in the US. EVERY one had its
> > own set of ALDs, with the serial number of the CPU on them.
> > They not only recorded the general info for the model, but
> > they had specific changes to reflect the exact configur
Op 12 jul. 2016 10:14 a.m. schreef "Dave Wade" :
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > Marc
> > Sent: 12 July 2016 08:58
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> >
> > Subject: Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog
>
Op 12 jul. 2016 4:10 a.m. schreef :
>
> Mike said:
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, wrote:
> >> Al said:
> >>> On 7/11/16 9:14 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> The microcode was in the ALD drawings, and might even be in
bitsavers archive, if they have the right manual.
> >>>
> >>> 360 CPU ALDs ar
Low End Mac looks into the history of the effort to produce a Motif-based,
clean-room Mac compatible computer in the early nineties.
http://lowendmac.com/2016/nutek-mac-clones/
--
Sent from my phone - please pardon brevity & typos.
Camiel said:
> IBM UK Laboratories in Hursley was a software facility, the model 40 was
> developed in Poughkeepsie, like the others. Secondary production sites were
> in Mainz, Germany, and Japan.
Yes, the wiki does say that, but I am sure Hursley was involved in designing
hardware as well, for i
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> Op 12 jul. 2016 5:50 a.m. schreef :
> >
> > Jon said:
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>
> Op 12 jul. 2016 10:14 a.m. schreef "Dave Wade" :
> >
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Fritz Mueller wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a VT52 to see what's
>> there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
>> have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT52? With a scale ruler? I
>> can take one but it'
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:00 AM, Paul Birkel wrote:
>
> Principles of Operation, I believe. Example:
>
> http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/A22-6821-0
> _360PrincOps.pdf
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf
It is my understanding - from conversations with numerous IBM engineers and
retirees - that ALDs are 'as-built' documents related to a particular
machine and were indeed kept with the machine at the customer site.
Otherwise, the poor CE would have to haul around a rack of ALDs for each
machine bein
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Fritz Mueller wrote:
>>> Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a VT52 to see what's
>>> there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
>>> have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT
>> I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands. Is there any way
>> of telling for sure? There are no markings on the stands.
>
>I can't be certain, but the height and the appearance suggest to me
>that they are.
>
>> Here is a picture of the stand:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id
POP = Principles of Operations. It is the 360/370 *bible*. It describes (in
detail) how
the architecture works (including all instructions). It specifies what are
“architectural”
(ie can be counted on by all models) and what are “implementation” specific.
Changes to the POP were *very* restri
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:24 PM, wrote:
> Camiel said:
>> IBM UK Laboratories in Hursley was a software facility, the model 40 was
>> developed in Poughkeepsie, like the others. Secondary production sites were
>> in Mainz, Germany, and Japan.
>
> Yes, the wiki does say that, but I am sure Hursley
Time to dust of the 50 panel hidden in the basement.
-pete
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:55 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven
wrote:
> Op 12 jul. 2016 10:14 a.m. schreef "Dave Wade" :
>>
>> > -Original Message-
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>> > Marc
>
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> Vanderhoeven
> Sent: 12 July 2016 14:06
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>
> Subject: Re: IBM 360/30 in verilog
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Dave Wade
> wrote:
I'm probably dreaming, but is anyone aware of DIY efforts or business
ventures aiming to reproduce a classic micro or "next-gen" classic micro?
I have seen a lot of efforts, but only one quite like that (the Altair 680
project nails it). I'm just thinking that with 3D printers and FPGA
hardwar
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Camiel
>> Vanderhoeven
>> Sent: 12 July 2016 09:56
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>>
>> Subject: RE: IBM 360/30 in verilog
...and the /20 was developed at Sindelfingen, which was one reason it was
the redheaded stepchild (but very popular nonetheless, due to its lower
cost).
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:24 PM, wrote:
> > Camiel said:
> >> IBM UK Laboratori
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> Low End Mac looks into the history of the effort to produce a
> Motif-based, clean-room Mac compatible computer in the early nineties.
Bizzaro-world. It's like Executor on steriods
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28software%29) . I never knew
t
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Eric Christopherson <
echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MEGA65 FPGA-based Commodore 65 remake: http://mega65.org/
>
Oops; sorry for top-posting.
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Swift Griggs
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm probably dreaming, but is anyone aware of D
MEGA65 FPGA-based Commodore 65 remake: http://mega65.org/
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Swift Griggs
wrote:
>
> I'm probably dreaming, but is anyone aware of DIY efforts or business
> ventures aiming to reproduce a classic micro or "next-gen" classic micro?
> I have seen a lot of efforts, bu
On 07/12/2016 12:34 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote:
Most weren't sold, but leased. The ALDs would be used by
the IBM CE, not the customers themselves. I don't know if
machines that were sold rather than leased came with ALDs
or if IBM kept these, I suspect the latter to be the case.
Absolutely,
> > Low End Mac looks into the history of the effort to produce a
> > Motif-based, clean-room Mac compatible computer in the early nineties.
>
> Bizzaro-world. It's like Executor on steriods
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28software%29) . I never knew
> that there was such a beast.
The ZX Spectrum Next is going to be interesting http://www.specnext.com/
Look at that industrial design! Designed by Rick Dickinson who was behind
the ZX80,ZX81, ZX Spectrum, Spectrum Plus and QL
Steve
On 12 July 2016 at 17:02, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> I'm probably dreaming, but is anyone
Well I could do front and back panels. In fact anything that needs silk
screening.
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
Sent from my iPad
> On 12 Jul 2016, at 17:02, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
>
> I'm probably dreaming, but is anyone aware of DIY efforts or business
> ventures aiming to reproduce a classic
There is an on-going CoCo 3 in FPGA.
http://www.brianholman.com/retrocompute/files/coco3fpga.html
Spectrum III
http://www.mike-stirling.com/retro-fpga/zx-spectrum-on-an-fpga/comment-page-
1/
but lots more about
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp
On 12 July 2016 at 18:10, Swift Griggs wrote:
> Bizzaro-world. It's like Executor on steriods
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28software%29) . I never knew
> that there was such a beast. I couldn't even find a screenshot. I wanted
> to see how the blend of MacOS and MOTIF looked (that's
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote:
>
>
>>> I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands. Is there any way
>>> of telling for sure? There are no markings on the stands.
>>
>> I can't be certain, but the height and the appearance suggest to me
>> that they are.
>>
>
You could go with the modern times and get at VT220 cart / table
www.ebay.com/itm/262486498646
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
> You could go with the modern times and get at VT220 cart / table
>
> www.ebay.com/itm/262486498646
The ET stand! I think my VT52 would fall off though.
-ethan
> You could go with the modern times and get at VT220 cart / table
>
> www.ebay.com/itm/262486498646
I have (most of?) one of those in bits. Actually with the top platform
to take a VR241 colour monitor and a 'cage' to hang on the back to
take a Rainbow or Pro (it's adjustable) CPU box.
When
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> I vaguely recall seeing some in a mag at the time. It looked a bit like
> Mac apps running on CDE, if I remember correctly. The in-window menus
> were weird (for a Mac) and made it look more Windows-like.
That's about what I'd expect. I wonder if it coul
I haven't heard of these projects. Do you have a larger list of projects that
exist?
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:41 AM, "Dave Wade" wrote:
>
> There is an on-going CoCo 3 in FPGA.
>
> http://www.brianholman.com/retrocompute/files/coco3fpga.html
>
> Spectrum III
>
> http://www.mike-stirling.com
I guess if I checked the email chain, I'd get my answer. Pity no way to get
ahold of a C-One, sold out. I'd love to get one.
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Kurt K wrote:
>
> I haven't heard of these projects. Do you have a larger list of projects
> that exist?
>
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:4
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 12 July 2016 19:10
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: Reproduction micros
>
> I haven't heard of these projects. Do you have a larger list of projec
TL;DL
On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> > I vaguely recall seeing some in a mag at the time. It looked a bit like
> > Mac apps running on CDE, if I remember correctly. The in-window menus
> > were weird (for a Mac) and made it look more Wi
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> Of course, today, GNUstep is something very broadly akin to this, and
> almost nobody pays any attention to it. :-( There have been a couple
> of LiveCDs, never updated, and TTBOMK nobody has ever produced a
> GNUstep-based Linux distro.
>
I
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> I'm really interested to see how they reimplemented the Toolbox under
> these circumstances, [...]
That was the ROM code, right? I'm curious about that, myself. I guess that
it can all be software emulated. I suppose they could have created some
kind
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Eric Christopherson wrote:
> MEGA65 FPGA-based Commodore 65 remake: http://mega65.org/
That project looks amazing! Does anyone know how far along they are? The
web page is dated 2015, but that probably doesn't mean much. However, it's
clear they aren't shipping, yet.
One t
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Steve Browne wrote:
> The ZX Spectrum Next is going to be interesting http://www.specnext.com/
Wow! I hope that takes off. It's beautiful. Plus, in other news, they will
ship schematics! Wow.
> Look at that industrial design! Designed by Rick Dickinson who was
> behind
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> Well I could do front and back panels. In fact anything that needs silk
> screening. Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
As a hobbyist I've made a few tee-shirts, bags, and other items using a
real silk screen, transparencies, photo resist emulsion, PVC inks, and
> Swift Griggs :
>
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>> Low End Mac looks into the history of the effort to produce a
>> Motif-based, clean-room Mac compatible computer in the early nineties.
>
> Bizzaro-world. It's like Executor on steriods
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28
On 12 July 2016 at 21:41, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Steve Browne wrote:
> > The ZX Spectrum Next is going to be interesting
> http://www.specnext.com/
>
> Wow! I hope that takes off. It's beautiful. Plus, in other news, they will
> ship schematics! Wow.
>
> > Look at that ind
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, s...@hoffart.de wrote:
> > No doubt! That rarely ends well. Emulation is a tough gig.
> Executor is no emulator, and it does not seem that NuTek was/had one,
> too. It is just a (more or less) compatible clone of APIs. In principle
> as System 7 was one of System 6 - also not
In case anyone is interested:
https://youtu.be/JrBqqL6VS6M
Terry (Tez)
On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
> I'm really interested to
> see how they reimplemented the Toolbox under these circumstances,
There’s nothing particularly special about the Mac Toolbox and Operating System
per se. Pretty much anyone could have attempted to develop a clean-
On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> That was the ROM code, right? I'm curious about that, myself. I guess that
> it can all be software emulated.
ROM is software.
> I suppose they could have created some
> kind of software mechanism to capture those calls and redirect them to
Well Done a nice tour! Terry!
Ed#
In a message dated 7/12/2016 10:02:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
te...@webweavers.co.nz writes:
In case anyone is interested:
https://youtu.be/JrBqqL6VS6M
Terry (Tez)
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