Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread COURYHOUSE
I remember part of the history mentioning they wanted it to be known as an instrument controller at first Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 4/3/2016 12:12:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, n...@retrocomputingtasmania.com writes: Good work on get

RE: RSX-11M trouble

2016-04-03 Thread supervinx
Well.. The RSXM70.dsk has many TSKs not built. How can I build them?

Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread Nigel Williams
Good work on getting the 2116A working again. Anyone care to speculate on the initial low sales of the 2116A? was it because HP weren't well known for producing computers at the time or was the $22K asking price too high compared with say DEC's less than $10K for a PDP-8?

RE: RSX-11M trouble

2016-04-03 Thread supervinx
Well... the only indirect command processor present on RSXM70.DSK was ICX.TSK I transferred it from simh RX50 disk image to a RT-11 formatted floppy with PUTR (copy /binary) and then with FLX FLX> DU0:=DU1:ICX.TSK /RT Then > REM ...AT. > INS $ICX.TSK >@[1,2]STARTUP.CMD and got a BIG system cras

USB on a TURBOchannel {VAX,DECstation,Alpha}

2016-04-03 Thread David Brownlee
For anyone who has ever felt the urge to have a USB port on their VAX (or similar) http://www.flxd.de/tc-usb/ Now if only we could find someone who wanted to write a lot of VMS driver code :-p

Xerox 8010 Star software on Ebay.

2016-04-03 Thread Mattis Lind
Just saw this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331820201025 In case someone is interested. I was unable to quickly figure out if it already was archived on bitsavers. /Mattis

R: RE: RSX-11M trouble

2016-04-03 Thread supervinx
Hmmm RSX-11Mplus 4.2 aren't recognized as TSK images by "normal" 4.2

RE: RSX-11M trouble

2016-04-03 Thread E. Groenenberg
On Sun, April 3, 2016 09:01, supervinx wrote: > Well.. > The RSXM70.dsk has many TSKs not built. > How can I build them? > > A standard RSX-11m distribution in a so called 'Baseline' system which boots an nearly all PDP-11's and is a very basic system. Normally you do a sysgen to build a target

Looking for RSX-11M V4.2 images

2016-04-03 Thread supervinx
I'm looking for RSX-11M V4.2, not plus. Thanks

Re: PCP11-E board

2016-04-03 Thread John Foust
At 02:56 AM 2/23/2016, jwsmobile wrote: >I have a PCP-11E board, which I'd like people to comment on, perhaps point me >at some documentation if you know of any. Google is saturated with references >for the three letter acronym for a controlled substance, nothing much has >showed up, and the ma

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Paul Koning
> On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Tomasz Konojacki wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > Mouse wrote: > >> He's assuming the "the entire address space is a single >> array of bytes (perhaps with holes)" memory model is the only possible >> one. He needs to talk with someone who wr

Britain's first mass-produced business computer is now on display

2016-04-03 Thread wulfman
http://www.gizmag.com/britain-computer-mass-produced-first-public/42595/

Re: Britain's first mass-produced business computer is now on display

2016-04-03 Thread Paul Koning
> On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:12 AM, wulfman wrote: > > > http://www.gizmag.com/britain-computer-mass-produced-first-public/42595/ Nice. It seems that the claim that Booth invented the first drum memory is not supported by history. It may be that his particular drum memory was the first commerci

Re: Favorite Resolution && favorite monitor, sound, video, and capture (retro)

2016-04-03 Thread Jules Richardson
On 04/01/2016 11:07 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: Favorite LCD Monitor line: NEC Multisync, Dell Ultrasharp I think the only one I've got (out of seven or so) which will accept the oddball-frequency VGA from some of Apple's old machines is a Dell, although I'd have to check the model number. Fav

Fwd: Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread Al Kossow
Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Original HP 2116A is running again! Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 08:54:01 -0700 From: Al Kossow Reply-To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts To: cct...@classiccmp.org On 4/2/16 2:01 PM, william degnan wrote: Thanks for that. I could not find much

VR241 Substitute

2016-04-03 Thread Robert Jarratt
I could do with getting hold of a VR241, but these seem to be pretty unobtainable. So the alternative is to rig up an adapter of some kind to work with a VGA LCD, which also saves on space. I came across the following: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?38450-VR241-substitute-for-Rainbow -VT

Re: R: RE: RSX-11M trouble

2016-04-03 Thread supervinx
Il giorno dom, 03/04/2016 alle 14.59 +0200, supervinx ha scritto: > Hmmm RSX-11Mplus 4.2 aren't recognized as TSK images by "normal" 4.2 Well... the files have been correctly transferred... i did a DMP on both sides so definitely I need a 4.2 non plus.

Re: DECmate II Questions

2016-04-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Apr 2, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Robert Jarratt > wrote: > > > > I have been looking at my DECmate II recently. I got an Italian version > of > > WPS 1.0 for it and that works fine, except that I don't have an Italian > > keyboard so finding s

Re: AT&T 3B2 floppy format

2016-04-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
Yesterday I was about to suggest that the 300Kbps/300rpm mixup might be the problem, but I figured that it would surface eventually. IMD does have an RPM-checking routine--I use it frequently when modifying 2.0MB 3.5" drives to masquerade as 1.6MB ones. It ensures me that the result will beha

Re: DECmate II Questions

2016-04-03 Thread Paul Koning
> On Apr 3, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > ... > DD certainly would be one way to image them. However, there's a caveat with > that. DD > will read the sectors labeled 1, 2, 3, ... 10 in that order. However, if > you read the entire track > off the disk you'll find they are stored in 1

RE: VR241 Substitute

2016-04-03 Thread tony duell
> > I could do with getting hold of a VR241, but these seem to be pretty > unobtainable. So the alternative is to rig up an adapter of some kind to > work with a VGA LCD, which also saves on space. I came across the following: > http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?38450-VR241-substitute-for-

Re: Xerox 8010 Star software on Ebay.

2016-04-03 Thread Al Kossow
On 4/3/16 5:27 AM, Mattis Lind wrote: Just saw this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331820201025 In case someone is interested. I was unable to quickly figure out if it already was archived on bitsavers. /Mattis I don't appear to have it uploaded. Maybe I can work something out with Frotz to get

Re: VR241 Substitute

2016-04-03 Thread Adrian Graham
On 03/04/2016 19:51, "tony duell" wrote: >> >> I could do with getting hold of a VR241, but these seem to be pretty >> unobtainable. So the alternative is to rig up an adapter of some kind to >> work with a VGA LCD, which also saves on space. I came across the following: >> http://www.vcfed.org/

Re: Fwd: Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread Al Kossow
On 4/3/16 8:55 AM, Al Kossow wrote: I have a bunch scanned, just need to post-process them. Now that tumble is running in my new workflow, I'll see what I can do. when I get them uploaded, they will be under 21xx/bcs, /dos, etc. Currently the 1969 DOS manual is the only thing up.

RE: VR241 Substitute

2016-04-03 Thread tony duell
> > Also also possibly any help - I used a VR241 monitor on an Amiga 500 for > years with a cable I knocked up out of a VAXstation monitor cable and a > 23-pin clamshell which was almost unobtanium in those days, so if you have a > monitor that works with an A500 you stand a chance of getting it w

Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread COURYHOUSE
That is really neat to have an "A" We have a few manuals in the library and a few paper tapes. BUT!we recently were shippedcrates of paper, some of which I never saw before in my life. There are some HP manuals in there Similar to what Al is mentioning. I will ha

Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread Al Kossow
On 4/2/16 2:01 PM, william degnan wrote: Thanks for that. I could not find much about the 2116A (2114/15) software on Bitsavers or the HP museum site. Where else does one go for these manuals? I have a bunch scanned, just need to post-process them. Now that tumble is running in my new wor

Re: VMS Software

2016-04-03 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven
We (VMS Software, Inc.) are the current developers of VMS, but not the owners of any of the older stuff, that's still HPE. Camiel Op 2 apr. 2016 6:06 p.m. schreef "Al Kossow" : > > > On 4/1/16 10:59 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > Bitsavers.org for example. >> >> > I have a large collection of VAX

Re: Original HP 2116A is running again!

2016-04-03 Thread COURYHOUSE
what is tumble? Ed# In a message dated 4/3/2016 12:41:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, a...@bitsavers.org writes: On 4/2/16 2:01 PM, william degnan wrote: > Thanks for that. I could not find much about the 2116A (2114/15) software > on Bitsavers or the HP museum site. Where else do

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Mouse
>> Indeed, intel segmented memory model was weird. [...] >> Far pointers were insanity-inducing, though. Since there were >> multiple ways to represent the same address as a far pointer, [...] >> Thankfully, huge pointers behaved exactly as one would expect, [...] > There we have the issue. Oft

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Mouse" To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 3:53 PM > (Please don't use paragraph-length lines.) Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? m

3.5" 3-mode drives

2016-04-03 Thread Mike Stein
Hi Chuck, What 3.5" drives have you found that can do 1.6MB mode without major mods? I'm aware of : Alps DF354N Samsung SFD-321B Sony MPF920-E TEAC FD-235HG TEAC FD-05HG Any others? TIA, m --- From: "Chuck Guzis" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent:

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 04/03/2016 01:31 PM, Mike Stein wrote: Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function nowadays. Maybe there's a setting in Thunderbird that wraps the lines on writing a new email, but most clients are perfectly happy

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? > > Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function nowadays. Maybe > there's a setting in Thunderbird that wraps the lines on writing a new email, > but most clients are perfectly ha

RE: VR241 Substitute

2016-04-03 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of tony duell > Sent: 03 April 2016 20:08 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: RE: VR241 Substitute > > > > > Also also possibly any help - I used a VR241 monitor on an Am

List of HP 9000 200/300 i/O modules in plain text

2016-04-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
I'm looking for a list of the I/O modules that is in plain text before I start making one from surfing the web. Anyone have one ? -pete

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Mouse > A pity pdos.csail.mit.edu is willing to impair its accessibility for > the sake of..I'm not sure what..by refusing to serve it over HTTP. It's the latest cretinous-lemming craze in the world of high tech - we _MUST_ hide all our bits in encryption, because otherwise so

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Mouse
>> (Please don't use paragraph-length lines.) > Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? No; it just assumes that - if the text is not marked as reflowable - that it shouldn't mangle it by inserting line breaks that weren't there in the original. It is obnoxious to have a long l

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Mouse
>> Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? > Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function > nowadays. Windows is the way most computers function nowadays. Shall we therefore reject any suggestion that Windows is not the way everyone should work? :-) (My point is

Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Fred Cisin
I'd say, for running text, wrap somewhere before 80 characters per line (preferably before about 78, since some programs lose a column or two on display - personally, I wrap at column 72). I'm sure others will differ in various details, but I suspect most will probably be somewhere close to that.

The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Toby Thain
On 2016-04-03 9:48 PM, Mouse wrote: Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function nowadays. Windows is the way most computers function nowadays. ... Maybe there's a setting in Thunderbird that wraps the lines on writing

Wrap or not - was C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Mouse" To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:32 PM Subject: Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD >>> (Please don't use paragraph-length lines.) >> Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text? > > No; it just assumes that - if t

Wrap or not (was C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD)

2016-04-03 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Mouse" To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:48 PM Subject: Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD ... >> But I'll be happy to comply to the wishes for preformatted text; just >> tell me how. > > I'd say, for running text, wrap somewhere befor

Re: The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD

2016-04-03 Thread ben
On 4/3/2016 8:19 PM, Toby Thain wrote: If we're doing 'the right way to email' AGAIN, at least have the courtesy of changing THE SUBJECT LINE. What and have the subject line longer than the email? --Toby Ben. BTW what do you do when your email server thinks your message is spam for a reply.

Re: Wrap or not

2016-04-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
Okay, for the benefit of a very few, I've set my tbird configuration to mailnews_send_plaintext_flowed = false; Since I've got several accounts on this client and this is a *global* composition setting, I'm going to hope that it doesn't mess up composing on my other accounts. I've set the line w

Re: Xerox 8010 Star software on Ebay.

2016-04-03 Thread David Griffith
On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, Al Kossow wrote: On 4/3/16 5:27 AM, Mattis Lind wrote: Just saw this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331820201025 In case someone is interested. I was unable to quickly figure out if it already was archived on bitsavers. I don't appear to have it uploaded. Maybe I can work somet

What do members do for substitute monochrome monitors ?

2016-04-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
I'll soon be powering up a HP 9000/310 (98561-66525) but do not have an a single monochrome monitor. Suggestions ? -pete