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- Original Message -
From: "Dave Woyciesjes"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re:
tumble under BSD
> ...Who reads an email
On 04/04/2016 02:13 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
--
... nor would I ever expect you to ;D
IMO the reason that flowed text and top posting have become the norm
is that many people (myself included) find them more efficient and clearer,
bot
At 04:00 PM 4/4/2016, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
>I think bottom-posting without trimming is actually more evil than top-posting
>...
I think that any posting without trimming is a sign of a lazy and inconsiderate
poster.
Dale H. Cook, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
Osborne 1 / Kaypro 4-84 / Kaypro 1 / A
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
> > How so? Who reads an email message from the bottom up?
> >
> Because I’ve already read all of the other messages in the thread and it’s
> a pain when folks bottom post and include the complete text of all of the
> previous emails.
I think bottom-
The thing is, it's just too hard to follow a thread unless everyone posts
in the same direction. If the thread, for whatever reason, flows by top
post, then I follow that pattern, if it's bottom then I go that
way...*this* message board has been around for a while, and the precedent
is to bottom
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
>
>>
>> --
>> ... nor would I ever expect you to ;D
>>
>> IMO the reason that flowed text and top posting have become the norm
>> is that many people (myself included) find them more efficient and clearer,
>> both reading and writing;
>
On 04/04/2016 12:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Mouse"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re:
tumble under BSD
Flowed text and top-posting have become the norm
- Original Message -
From: "Robert Jarratt"
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 12:44 PM
> I really do think that the endian-ness of posting is a matter of personal
> preference. I happen to prefer top posting, but on this list I make a
On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Mike Stein wrote:
>
> Mainstream popularity is not just the much-maligned Windows on PCs,
> but also iOS and Android on smart phones and tablets, and the web-based
> email...
I for one am glad to see the PC finally get its comeuppance from iOS,
Android and the We
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
> Sent: 04 April 2016 15:49
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour -
was
> Re: tumble under BSD
>
> &
- Original Message -
From: "Mouse"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re:
tumble under BSD
>> Flowed text and top-posting have become the norm in mainstream email
>
> So ha
> Flowed text and top-posting have become the norm in mainstream email
So have a lot of other horrible things, such as spam. Popularity,
especially mainstream popularity, is no measure of goodness, or we
should all immediately switch to Windows on peecees.
I have no problem with flowed text - wh
folks expressing them.
'Nuff said.
mike
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Coghlan"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Way to Email - was Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re:
tum
ll messages using the changed
subject line will continue to be archived under the original subject line. If
you look at the list archives you will see that the thread "tumble under BSD"
has been hijacked several times, by people who have changed the subject line
instead of stating
Mouse made a perfectly reasonable request that we make a small effort
to ensure our emails are formatted appropriately.
The response was that people demanded their inherent right to
continue to generate improperly formatted emails, complained about
grudgingly having to having to make configuration
On 4/3/2016 8:19 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
If we're doing 'the right way to email' AGAIN, at least have the
courtesy of changing THE SUBJECT LINE.
What and have the subject line longer than the email?
--Toby
Ben.
BTW what do you do when your email server thinks your message is spam
for a reply.
- Original Message -
From: "Mouse"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD
... >> But I'll be happy to comply to the wishes for preformatted text; just
>> tell me how.
>
> I&#x
- Original Message -
From: "Mouse"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: C & undefined behaviour - was Re: tumble under BSD
>>> (Please don't use paragraph-length lines.)
>> Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
On 2016-04-03 9:48 PM, Mouse wrote:
Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function
nowadays.
Windows is the way most computers function nowadays. ...
Maybe there's a setting in Thunderbird that wraps the lines on
writing
I'd say, for running text, wrap somewhere before 80 characters per line
(preferably before about 78, since some programs lose a column or two
on display - personally, I wrap at column 72). I'm sure others will
differ in various details, but I suspect most will probably be
somewhere close to that.
>> Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
> Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function
> nowadays.
Windows is the way most computers function nowadays. Shall we
therefore reject any suggestion that Windows is not the way everyone
should work? :-) (My point is
>> (Please don't use paragraph-length lines.)
> Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
No; it just assumes that - if the text is not marked as reflowable -
that it shouldn't mangle it by inserting line breaks that weren't there
in the original. It is obnoxious to have a long l
> From: Mouse
> A pity pdos.csail.mit.edu is willing to impair its accessibility for
> the sake of..I'm not sure what..by refusing to serve it over HTTP.
It's the latest cretinous-lemming craze in the world of high tech - we _MUST_
hide all our bits in encryption, because otherwise so
On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> > Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
>
> Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function nowadays. Maybe
> there's a setting in Thunderbird that wraps the lines on writing a new email,
> but most clients are perfectly ha
On 04/03/2016 01:31 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
Well, paragraph/lines is the way most email clients function nowadays.
Maybe there's a setting in Thunderbird that wraps the lines on writing a
new email, but most clients are perfectly happy
- Original Message -
From: "Mouse"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 3:53 PM
> (Please don't use paragraph-length lines.)
Why not? Is your email client incapable of wrapping text?
m
>> Indeed, intel segmented memory model was weird. [...]
>> Far pointers were insanity-inducing, though. Since there were
>> multiple ways to represent the same address as a far pointer, [...]
>> Thankfully, huge pointers behaved exactly as one would expect, [...]
> There we have the issue. Oft
> On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Tomasz Konojacki wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
> Mouse wrote:
>
>> He's assuming the "the entire address space is a single
>> array of bytes (perhaps with holes)" memory model is the only possible
>> one. He needs to talk with someone who wr
On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
Mouse wrote:
> He's assuming the "the entire address space is a single
> array of bytes (perhaps with holes)" memory model is the only possible
> one. He needs to talk with someone who wrote large-model 8086 code -
> or someone who's used the Lisp Machine
On 2016-04-02 6:58 PM, Mouse wrote:
Anyone interested in C and UB will want to read most of John Regehr's
http://blog.regehr.org/ - it hosts some of the best material on UB.
Unfortunately Mr. (I'm assuing this is appropriate given "John") Regehr
There's a lot more on the topic; he wrote these
> Anyone interested in C and UB will want to read most of John Regehr's
> http://blog.regehr.org/ - it hosts some of the best material on UB.
Unfortunately Mr. (I'm assuing this is appropriate given "John") Regehr
is falling into the same trap he's trying to warn against: basically,
assuming that
On 2016-04-02 5:22 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Apr 2, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Mouse wrote:
It appears that the stdio that I'm linking against on OS X 10.9.5
does not keep the file pointers synchronized between the system and
stdio.
Actually, I would say that any supposedly-portable software that
d
> On Apr 2, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Mouse wrote:
>
>> It appears that the stdio that I'm linking against on OS X 10.9.5
>> does not keep the file pointers synchronized between the system and
>> stdio.
>
> Actually, I would say that any supposedly-portable software that
> depends on either behaviour i
> It appears that the stdio that I'm linking against on OS X 10.9.5
> does not keep the file pointers synchronized between the system and
> stdio.
Actually, I would say that any supposedly-portable software that
depends on either behaviour is broken; AFAICT stdio has never promised
either way.
>
On 4/1/16 12:21 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
It's in ports /usr/ports/graphics/tumble
Not sure if it is up to date or not.
Thanks. It appears that the stdio that I'm linking against on OS X
10.9.5 does not keep the file pointers synchronized between the system
and stdio. Tumble opens a file, a
On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 11:55:50AM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
> Out of curiosity, has anyone ever gotten Eric Smith's tumble pdf
> creation program running under any version of BSD?
>
> I ran into a problem porting it to OS X, in the way it used rewind()
> and was wondering if anyone else ran into t
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever gotten Eric Smith's tumble pdf
creation program running under any version of BSD?
I ran into a problem porting it to OS X, in the way it used rewind()
and was wondering if anyone else ran into that on other BSDs
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