Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On 2015-06-25 13:31, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 June 2015 at 14:19, Johnny Billquist wrote: Oh, I know. I'm from Sweden. We had a very big scandal where 5 containers with a VAX-11/782 and peripherials or something like that was found under strange circumstances. When the whole thing started to be

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On 24 June 2015 at 14:19, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Oh, I know. I'm from Sweden. We had a very big scandal where 5 containers > with a VAX-11/782 and peripherials or something like that was found under > strange circumstances. When the whole thing started to be investigated > suddenly no one seeme

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

Sorry Holm, didn't mean to grind your gears. /P On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 09:55:14PM +0200, Holm Tiffe wrote: > Which computers? Do you think all computers there are made/owned by IBM? > > I think IBM can wait until the hell gets frozen for the payment. > It seems to me that IBM and you simply don

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Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 09:18:21AM -0700, Lyle Bickley wrote: > > > > I wonder what the rules are regarding purchasing and shipping > > computers (even vintage ones) out of Cuba? I don't think I'd > > want to try smuggling them out... > > > > Not smuggling, liberating

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Rod Smallwood wrote: > I was at DEC when much of this took place . > The big concern was not so much the copying but the USSR just buying DEC > product on the open market. > They would set up a front company, sign up as an oem, pay their bills on > time and carry on shipping. > It took a while t

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Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-06-24 08:45, Holm Tiffe wrote: > >Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > >>Well, unless I'm mistaken, when the Russian VAX-11/730 on a chip came, > >>DEC had already produced the uVAX II, which is also just a chip, but > >>much faster than an 11/730, so it's not exactly as

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Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 08:45:13AM +0200, Holm Tiffe wrote: > > I have an Elektronika 60 which is something like an 11/03 clone > > but it isn't a clone. It has a Q-BUS with connecteors like DECs > > original but with metric pin raster. Boards are bigger and the used > > c

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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 09:18:21AM -0700, Lyle Bickley wrote: > > I wonder what the rules are regarding purchasing and shipping > computers (even vintage ones) out of Cuba? I don't think I'd > want to try smuggling them out... > Not smuggling, liberating! (the computers in question should bel

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:46:30 -0400 Paul Birkel wrote: > I wonder to what Soviet equipment they would have upgraded? > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM, william degnan > wrote: > > > > > http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/ > > > > Who's up for it? Fo

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, Rod Smallwood wrote: I was at DEC when much of this took place . The big concern was not so much the copying but the USSR just buying DEC product on the open market. They would set up a front company, sign up as an oem, pay their bills on time and carry on shipping. It took

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On 2015-06-24 13:56, Rod Smallwood wrote: I was at DEC when much of this took place . The big concern was not so much the copying but the USSR just buying DEC product on the open market. They would set up a front company, sign up as an oem, pay their bills on time and carry on shipping. It took a

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

I was at DEC when much of this took place . The big concern was not so much the copying but the USSR just buying DEC product on the open market. They would set up a front company, sign up as an oem, pay their bills on time and carry on shipping. It took a while to sink in that good well behaved

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On 2015-06-24 13:40, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-06-24 08:45, Holm Tiffe wrote: Johnny Billquist wrote: Well, unless I'm mistaken, when the Russian VAX-11/730 on a chip came, DEC had already produced the uVAX II, which is also just a chip, but much faster than an 11/730, so it's not exactl

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On 2015-06-24 08:45, Holm Tiffe wrote: Johnny Billquist wrote: Well, unless I'm mistaken, when the Russian VAX-11/730 on a chip came, DEC had already produced the uVAX II, which is also just a chip, but much faster than an 11/730, so it's not exactly as if the Russians were outperforming what D

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 08:45:13AM +0200, Holm Tiffe wrote: > I have an Elektronika 60 which is something like an 11/03 clone > but it isn't a clone. It has a Q-BUS with connecteors like DECs > original but with metric pin raster. Boards are bigger and the used > chips and the schematics are totall

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I just love this translation: "*But me, naturally, anybody especially didn't ask.*" Been there; still am ... On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: > Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > On 2015-06-24 02:06, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > > > > >>On Jun 23, 2015, at 09:32 , Holm Tiffe wrote: >

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Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-06-24 02:06, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > > >>On Jun 23, 2015, at 09:32 , Holm Tiffe wrote: > >> > >>1) > >>Yes they copied the PDP11 and the VAX but, They made an VAX Chip > >>that's > >>compatible to the VAX730...and we all know that the VAX730 ist not an one

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Oh, I want the whole computer, not just the CPU chip. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

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Zitat von Sean Caron : I've spent a lot of time researching computer engineering in the Eastern Bloc ... ...being somewhat isolated from what was canonical over here, they also had their share of quite unusual indigenous designs ... a few of the papers I have read discuss experiments with hybrid

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/N1839VZh2-USSR-Soviet-Russian-Clone-of-DEC-Micro-VAX-11-II-Support-IC-/380857961090 close but no cigar On 6/23/2015 8:43 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >> Well, unless I'm mistaken, when the Russian VAX-11/730 on a chip

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> On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > Well, unless I'm mistaken, when the Russian VAX-11/730 on a chip came, DEC > had already produced the uVAX II, which is also just a chip, but much faster > than an 11/730, so it's not exactly as if the Russians were outperforming > what

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On 2015-06-24 02:06, Mark J. Blair wrote: On Jun 23, 2015, at 09:32 , Holm Tiffe wrote: 1) Yes they copied the PDP11 and the VAX but, They made an VAX Chip that's compatible to the VAX730...and we all know that the VAX730 ist not an one chip solution as the russian chip is. Ooh! Is ther

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On 06/23/2015 11:59 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Think that's ok for you? (not for me as for most people on the world, but they simplay take the rights to do this which really pisses me of) If yes, for sure you want to call it stupid that IBM still want's to get payd for the old Mainframes, don't you?

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> On Jun 23, 2015, at 09:32 , Holm Tiffe wrote: > > 1) > Yes they copied the PDP11 and the VAX but, They made an VAX Chip that's > compatible to the VAX730...and we all know that the VAX730 ist not an one > chip solution as the russian chip is. Ooh! Is there any chance I could get my hands

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One way to find out! On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > I've spent a lot of time researching computer engineering in the Eastern > Bloc ... there aren't a lot of sources here in the West that really > describe well everything they did over there ... my Russian skills are > abso

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I've spent a lot of time researching computer engineering in the Eastern Bloc ... there aren't a lot of sources here in the West that really describe well everything they did over there ... my Russian skills are absolutely awful so most of my knowledge derives from these secondhand summary papers t

Re: organizing a trip to Cuba

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 05:59:08PM -0700, Ian S. King wrote: > ROAD TRIP! It is going to take a lot of bulldozers to build a road to Cuba ... > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:06 PM, william degnan > wrote: > > > > > http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/ >

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Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 06/23/2015 09:32 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: > > >Jonathan, I think it is _really_ naive to think that the Soviets gained any > >big knowledge from that old Mainfraimes. > > > >The soviets build the sputnik, atomic bombs and intercontinental > >ROckets w/o to find such things on

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On 06/23/2015 09:32 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Jonathan, I think it is _really_ naive to think that the Soviets gained any big knowledge from that old Mainfraimes. The soviets build the sputnik, atomic bombs and intercontinental ROckets w/o to find such things on cuba at all. There was'nt any techno

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Jonathan Katz wrote: [..] > I wonder what kind of intelligence the Soviets gained from the ex-IBM > mainframes there. At that point in time a lot of the US defense > (NORAD) was run off of the SAGE setup, which must have had some 650s > as a component, right? Jonathan, I think it is _really_ naiv

RE: organizing a trip to Cuba

Behalf Of Ian S. King Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:59 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Subject: Re: organizing a trip to Cuba ROAD TRIP! On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:06 PM, william degnan wrote: > > http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mai > nframes/

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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Paul Birkel wrote: > I wonder to what Soviet equipment they would have upgraded? > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM, william degnan >> http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/ I wonder what kind of intelligence the Soviets

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whenever I see video from there is to full of 50scars! Neat! Ed# In a message dated 6/23/2015 4:24:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billdeg...@gmail.com writes: I don't know, but there could be some WOW stuff there. I have to admit, the day I heard Barak Obama said the US was

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I wonder to what Soviet equipment they would have upgraded? On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM, william degnan wrote: > > http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/ > > Who's up for it? > > B >

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I don't know, but there could be some WOW stuff there. I have to admit, the day I heard Barak Obama said the US was going to free up restrictions with Cuba I thought about the carsand the COMPUTERS!...UNIVAC? IBM 701? Anything could be there. On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Paul Birkel wr

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ROAD TRIP! On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:06 PM, william degnan wrote: > > http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/ > > Who's up for it? > > B > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School Archivist, Voices From

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