Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-25 Thread Wayne Sudol
Here is an ebay link to a pretty good (IMHO) guide to the data I/O programmers. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574933636&toolid=10001&campid=5336728181&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fgds%2FData-I-O-Device-Programmers-A-Condensed-Reference-%2F1

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-25 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Glen Slick > the part is listed as DM8598-AD, where a DM8598 is a 256-bit (32x8) > tri-state bipolar mask ROM. > Some substitute T.S. PROMs include the Signetics 82S123 On my M8101, it's an 82S123, which is a tri-state programmable PROM (the 82S23 is the open-collector ver

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-25 Thread Christian Corti
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016, Fritz Mueller wrote: In bringing up and debugging my PDP 11/45, I found that one of my GRA (M8101) spares has a failed ALU subsidiary ROM. It's a pretty standard little 32x8 ROM in a 16-pin DIP, and the truth table is in the 11/45 print set. Some years ago I had to replac

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Fritz Mueller
Thanks much for all the info and help, folks! I'll see about tracking one of the programmers mentioned. I'd like to have one around in case I run into more parts like these. Was helping a friend with an old arcade game last weekend, and it had a few parts like these as well. --Frit

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Glen Slick
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > Hi All, > > In bringing up and debugging my PDP 11/45, I found that one of my GRA > (M8101) spares has a failed ALU subsidiary ROM. It's a pretty standard > little 32x8 ROM in a 16-pin DIP, and the truth table is in the 11/45 print > set. >

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Don North
On 6/24/2016 7:41 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: On 06/24/2016 06:28 PM, Don North wrote: Almost 100% certainty the part already there is a small bipolar TTL PROM. What would you think it otherwise might be? For a lot of these logic replacement applications DEC used the open collector version, but

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2016-Jun-24, at 7:41 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > On 06/24/2016 06:28 PM, Don North wrote: >> Almost 100% certainty the part already there is a small bipolar TTL PROM. >> What would you think it otherwise might be? >> >> For a lot of these logic replacement applications DEC used the open >> col

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread rescue
On 2016-06-24 22:47, Al Kossow wrote: On 6/24/16 7:42 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: A Data-I/O 29A or 29B will do the job nicely. and a Unipak I or II like this www.ebay.com/itm/301995688339 I have a Data-I/O Series 22 which could do these, plus another burner that may do them. I haven't checke

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/24/2016 06:36 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: Hi All, In bringing up and debugging my PDP 11/45, I found that one of my GRA (M8101) spares has a failed ALU subsidiary ROM. It's a pretty standard little 32x8 ROM in a 16-pin DIP, and the truth table is in the 11/45 print set. I wonder what th

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Al Kossow
On 6/24/16 7:42 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > A Data-I/O 29A or 29B will do the job nicely. > and a Unipak I or II like this www.ebay.com/itm/301995688339

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Josh Dersch
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > Thanks for the info, Don -- learning a lot about this stuff as I go... > > I had wondered if the part might have been a mask ROM rather than a PROM. > And wrt. timing, I was certainly mistaken to call the nominal interval > between the clock

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Fritz Mueller
Thanks for the info, Don -- learning a lot about this stuff as I go... I had wondered if the part might have been a mask ROM rather than a PROM. And wrt. timing, I was certainly mistaken to call the nominal interval between the clock pulses a microcycle. So after staring at the flows and pri

Re: options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Don North
On 6/24/2016 4:36 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: Hi All, In bringing up and debugging my PDP 11/45, I found that one of my GRA (M8101) spares has a failed ALU subsidiary ROM. It's a pretty standard little 32x8 ROM in a 16-pin DIP, and the truth table is in the 11/45 print set. I wonder what the r

options for replacing failed small ROMs in PDP-11

2016-06-24 Thread Fritz Mueller
Hi All, In bringing up and debugging my PDP 11/45, I found that one of my GRA (M8101) spares has a failed ALU subsidiary ROM. It's a pretty standard little 32x8 ROM in a 16-pin DIP, and the truth table is in the 11/45 print set. I wonder what the replacement options are for parts like these