No, Brad was not the founder of NewTek. He did do early designs of the Toaster.
- John
Derp! Checked, he built the first Video Toaster but not the company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Carvey
Thanks for the correction!
--
Ethan O'Toole
At 05:13 PM 7/19/2016, et...@757.org wrote:
>I'm sure you know the thing about Garth/Dana Carvey? Him mentioning the Unix
>book in Waynes World was a nod to his brother, his brother founded NewTek the
>company behind the Amiga video toaster and the current NewTek Tricaster stuff?
No, Brad was no
agreed.
if it would have been 11/20 and a h960 would have been muccc more
reasonable..
what was there was totally amazing.
Ed#
In a message dated 7/24/2016 9:05:37 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu writes:
> From: Glen Slick
> For the curious about th
On 7/24/2016 9:50 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 08:08:53PM -0700, Glen Slick wrote:
For the curious about the eBay market value of the PDP-11/20 today, it
just sold for $5,655.55
well, there goes that fantasy.
mcl
Well in 1972 you could get ...
http://www.village.org/pdp-
> From: Glen Slick
> For the curious about the eBay market value of the PDP-11/20 today
That one was a once-in-a-lifetime thing, though: not only a KA11 in
absolutely pristine condition, but also an additional BA11 stuffed to the
gills with memory; the most complete set of original docume
buyer aranges pick prolly hurt the price as well
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 08:08:53PM -0700, Glen Slick wrote:
> > For the curious about the eBay market value of the PDP-11/20 today, it
> > just sold for $5,655.55
>
> well, there goes that f
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 08:08:53PM -0700, Glen Slick wrote:
> For the curious about the eBay market value of the PDP-11/20 today, it
> just sold for $5,655.55
well, there goes that fantasy.
mcl
Think it was add on box that went for the $! ---Ed#
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Original message
From: Glen Slick
Date: 7/24/16 20:08 (GMT-07:00)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Subject: Re: Straight 8 up on
>
> Straight PDP-8
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/152171436497
>
> PDP-11/20
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
For the curious about the eBay market value of the PDP-11/20 today, it
just sold for $5,655.55
The only ones worth using that I'm aware of are Scream Tracker and Impulse
Tracker and neither was around in the 16 bit ISA days pre-386, IIRC. I
doubt Scream Tracker would be able to function on a 286 anyhow. It puts a
486DX2/66 at about 50% CPU load, from my recollection. The Amiga trackers
were
On 07/20/2016 05:59 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Three phase power shows up in a bunch of places. Some high current
> power supplies (pre switching era) use three phase input to increase
> the ripple frequency and reduce its amplitude, which significantly
> reduces the size of the required filter
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> Very cool! I'm a.d.d. a bit with hobbies. On the synth side I recently
> picked up a Roland MT-32, so that was an achievement unlocked. Hope to
> find an Oberheim Matrix 6 at some point.
I'm not a keyboard guru like some on the list, but I've owned a R
I knew it! Piano, bass, violin, and guitar, here. I play them all badly
but guitar a little less badly. I've been an amateur for about 10 years
and I've been taking guitar lessons for about three years, now.
Sax, eh? Cool. I've never tried a reed-based instrument.
Very cool! I'm a.d.d. a bit wit
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mark Green wrote:
> I don't know a lot about data transmission, my main application is
> display.
Thanks anyway for the informed reply. Do you happen to know the best place
to view large format holograms? I'm just looking for your personal
opinion, since you seem to be in t
I wouldn't be doing that. I cited the cg6 by way of contrast. How the
points get into the display hardware is still open, but a framebuffer
seems unlikely to be involved. (I suppose a framebuffer with something
like DVI-D could be used as a way to continuously replay sequences very
fast, but it
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> I live in Virginia but go to a number of events every year. I dabble
> with music a little, have some synths and midi hardware (and of course
> an Atari ST setup, and a luggable Pentium 200 with a SB/GUS and Voyetra
> Sequencer!) Also dabble a little w
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Mouse wrote:
>
>> As far as sending video from a computer frame buffer, I think it
>> might be way too fast.
>
> I wouldn't be doing that. I cited the cg6 by way of contrast. How the
> points get into the display hardware is still open, but a framebuffer
> seems
> As far as sending video from a computer frame buffer, I think it
> might be way too fast.
I wouldn't be doing that. I cited the cg6 by way of contrast. How the
points get into the display hardware is still open, but a framebuffer
seems unlikely to be involved. (I suppose a framebuffer with so
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Wayne Sudol wrote:
>
> Laser technology to draw things like this is used in photo typesetters. A
> laser beam is focused onto a thin (about 1/2" thick) many sided (about 8
> sides i think) spinning mirror. Each facet of the mirror is cut differently
> to deflict t
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Greg Stark wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Mouse wrote:
>> For example, I once had a neighbour who replaced an outlet in his
>> kitchen. Turned off the breaker, removed the old one, put in the new
>> one, all very nice. Turned the breaker for that ci
From: Karl-Wilhelm Wacker: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:21 PM
This company does custom tapered pins in brass -
There are others out there I'm sure.
I would find out what their minimum is and get a bulk order together.
http://www.stanlok.com/Taper_Pin_Pages/an386.html
A place I worked for in the pa
Laser technology to draw things like this is used in photo typesetters. A
laser beam is focused onto a thin (about 1/2" thick) many sided (about 8
sides i think) spinning mirror. Each facet of the mirror is cut differently
to deflict the beam up, down or center it on a sheet of moving paper or a
p
,
in the 100's - I would talk to them about a part also.
Karl
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From: "Vincent Slyngstad"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: DEC H-500 Computer Lab pins and docs (was Re: S
2016 6:04 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was
Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mark Green wrote:
> In my day job I work on computational holography and other forms of
&g
> From: Mouse
> my impression is that they're only for pre-prepared displays, and only
> some displays (notably those that don't involve the beam turning any
> sharp corners
My vague recollection is that they could do pretty sharp corners, but it's
been decades. IIRC, they were mu
From: Karl-Wilhelm Wacker: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:25 AM
Does anyone have one of the patch cables, and can they measure the diameter
of the pin and it's length?
The width goes from about .093" near the tip to 0.1" near the
crimp. The length of the tapered region is about 0.32". The
rounded
On 19/07/2016 21:46, Mouse wrote:
You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a
laser beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be
to take a laser and turn it into a vector display
Turning sharp corners is the hard part with mechanical
deflectors like mirrors
Killer. I wish we were neighbors, Ethan. We'd be able to throw the most
awesome block parties, I swear. I bet you are a musician, too.
I live in Virginia but go to a number of events every year. I dabble with
music a little, have some synths and midi hardware (and of course an Atari
ST setup,
Yeah, me too, but my impression is that they're only for pre-prepared
displays, and only some displays (notably those that don't involve the
beam turning any sharp corners, such as Lissajous figures).
My impression may, of course, have been - be - incorrect, which is what
I'm asking for; if you've
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mark Green wrote:
> In my day job I work on computational holography and other forms of
> esoteric 3D displays, so I can give you some insight in how these things
> work.
Holography is amazing. Do you know much about so-called "free space
optical" data transmission? I worke
ge of colours you can produce.
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
Sent: July 19, 2016 4:47 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was
Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Mouse wrote:
> For example, I once had a neighbour who replaced an outlet in his
> kitchen. Turned off the breaker, removed the old one, put in the new
> one, all very nice. Turned the breaker for that circuit back on and
> popped the service main breaker.
Heh,
>> You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a
>> laser beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be
>> to take a laser and turn it into a vector display on a handy blank
>> wall [...]
> What bandwidth (deflection rate) do you need? Full scale in a
> microsecon
On 7/19/2016 1:22 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Those have been around for decades - I recall seeing them used to draw things
on the sides of building,_many_ moons ago.
I know that the pen motors from Brush recorders were used eons ago. They
have frequency response that is very high, and if you had
>> I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a laser and turn it
>> into a vector display on a handy blank wall
> Those have been around for decades - I recall seeing them used to
> draw things on the sides of building, _many_ moons ago.
Yeah, me too, but my impression is that they're only f
> From: Mouse
> I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a laser and turn it
> into a vector display on a handy blank wall
Those have been around for decades - I recall seeing them used to draw things
on the sides of building, _many_ moons ago. I'm assuming they bounce the beam
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Mouse wrote:
>
>>> Light show hobby.
>
> You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser
> beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a
> laser and turn it into a vector display on a handy blank wall - but
> that re
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
> You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser
> beam?
Whoa. Interesting problem since a photon carries no charge and thus you
can't horizontally or vertically deflect it with a magnetic field. I guess
that's why folks make things like
, at right angles, would give you X/Y deflection.
Karl
- Original Message -
From: "Mouse"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was
Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))
Light show hobby
>> Light show hobby.
You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser
beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a
laser and turn it into a vector display on a handy blank wall - but
that requires some very fast acceleration of the spot, probably fas
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> Light show hobby. Inspired by the Def Leppard music video "Pour some
> sugar on me."
Killer. I wish we were neighbors, Ethan. We'd be able to throw the most
awesome block parties, I swear. I bet you are a musician, too.
> Everything is from China and
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
> I wouldn't run my $100 little VFC in production, but I expect that the
> more expensive ones from serious companies like Yaskawa or Allen-Bradley
> will do just fine.
I forgot about those. I think you are right. I've seen what I believe to
be massive VC
On Jul 19, 2016 12:24 PM, "Pontus Pihlgren" wrote:
>
> I can't find it, does anyone have a URL?
>
Straight PDP-8
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152171436497
PDP-11/20
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371
I just put in pdp-8 in ebay search and saw it last nite -Ed#
In a message dated 7/19/2016 12:24:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
pon...@update.uu.se writes:
I can't find it, does anyone have a URL?
/P
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 01:58:12PM -0700, jim stephens wrote:
> 25,000, Alexandria, V
I can't find it, does anyone have a URL?
/P
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 01:58:12PM -0700, jim stephens wrote:
> 25,000, Alexandria, Va.
>
> Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
>
> BTW, about the other nice system noted here, I was hoping the 11/20 would
> stay off the radar and not
I haven't been able to articulate anything witty, but I'll go ahead and
just say: Ethan I don't know what you do with those BF-lasers, but it
sounds damn awesome, anyway. Your stock just went up. It's hard to make
lasers anything but sci-fi radical coolness.
Light show hobby. Inspired by the Def
On 07/19/2016 01:41 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
3-phase comes in "delta" or "Wye"("Y")
some installers don't know the difference!
I experienced TWO misdone installations. One was an auto garage, and
resulted in high voltage to the 110 outlets, damaging a bunch of minor
stuff, such as grinder, spa
On 07/19/2016 11:08 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> The expense of a new service for 3 phase is one issue; it may not be
> available at all. A lot of US rural areas have a single wire
> running along the street. The only way you could get 3 phase service
> is for the utility to replace that by 3 wires
At 02:41 PM 7/19/2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
> and resulted in high voltage to the 110 outlets, damaging a bunch of minor
> stuff, such as grinder, space heater, clock, etc.
Obviously a delta with a high (aka "wild") leg.
Dale H. Cook, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
Osborne 1 / Kaypro 4-84 / Kaypro 1 / Amst
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
Anything powered by electric motor above 2 hp or so often comes in 3
phase, and when you get to somewhat higher power (5 hp or so) it seems
to be about the only option. Lathes and milling machines are good
examples.
and air compressors in automotive sh
In the UK we have, for DOMESTIC premises something call "Part P"
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
> Sent: 19 July 2016 17:47
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Strai
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> ... and as I mentioned before, they can break. So, even if your VCF will
> handle the load, your uptime requirement might be a dealbreaker if you
> have commercial intentions.
I wonder, though. In modern machinery, a whole lot of them ar
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:51 PM, et...@757.org wrote:
>
> ...
> I've heard sometimes the utility will indeed give you 3phase but you have to
> pay them to replace the transformer and it's very very expensive. Normally
> it's people buying used milling equipment that are after it from my
> experi
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> The Cray is single phase, the only thing I've ever owned that was 3
> phase was the laser stuff. Now my solid state laser projector uses 100
> watts and producsed half the power of the argon that used to take 3ph @
> 30A (and still tripped the breaker
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
The Cray uses 5 x Pioneer magnetics power supplies that I believe are
identical to those in the Sun E1. The smaller rack with the VME chassis
and hard drives -- good chance the power supplies are okay with 110/120v. The
disk trays at least are jus
Right... and in my area (hardly unique, I'd wager), you cannot get
3-phase in residential areas. The shared transformers on the poles
don't provide it and you can't pay them to add/change a transformer.
You have to be in a commercial area to get that. Fortunately for me,
my tastes in minicompute
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
> Yes, and time dependent as well. I grew up in Holland; in the 1970s, we
> had 3 phase in our house because we had an electric cooking range.
As you probably know, that's not usual the setup in North America, even
for folks with electric ranges.
> In th
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
> It all depends on what you're comfortable with.
My original point was that it's not trivial. I'd stand by that point no
matter how comfortable someone is with the install. Of course, even that
is subjective, I suppose. If you have tons of time, money, an
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mouse wrote:
>
>> [...], especially since most electrical installations (even domestic)
>> are 3-phase.
>
> This, I believe, must be location-specific. In North America, it is
> usual for domestic electrical feeds to be only two-phase (that is, they
> are the tw
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Mouse wrote:
>> [...], especially since most electrical installations (even domestic)
>> are 3-phase.
>
> This, I believe, must be location-specific. In North America, it is
> usual for domestic electrical feeds to be only two-phase (that is, they
> are the two s
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Vincent Slyngstad
wrote:
> From: Ethan Dicks: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:29 AM
>>
>> Does anyone have a modern source of pins that fit the socket holes in
>> the Computer Lab? ISTR there are a few of us here who have an H-500,
>> but very few, or no, patch cables.
> [...], especially since most electrical installations (even domestic)
> are 3-phase.
This, I believe, must be location-specific. In North America, it is
usual for domestic electrical feeds to be only two-phase (that is, they
are the two sides of a centre-tapped secondary - the two hot wires are
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:
The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup
3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electrician very
happy.
Why? 32A 3-phase CEE connectors (the red ones) are very common, especially
since most electrical i
>> [...electrical wiring...]
> This very definitely is an area where, if you're not 100% comfortable with t$
Also, know your own limits. A depressing number of people think
they're more competent than they are.
For example, I once had a neighbour who replaced an outlet in his
kitchen. Turned of
From: Karl-Wilhelm Wacker: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:25 AM
Does anyone have one of the patch cables, and can they measure the diameter of
the pin and it's length?
Also, is it a straight pin or like a bannana jack with springy sides?
It is a smooth-walled brass taper pin with a crimp connector
On 07/19/2016 08:29 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Or hobbyist. It's pretty trivial, after all. If you live in a state
> where that's not allowed, that would be an issue. But in NH, for
> example, homeowners can do their own electrical work. I wouldn't do
> work on the meter box or other always-live
From: Ethan Dicks: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:29 AM
Does anyone have a modern source of pins that fit the socket holes in
the Computer Lab? ISTR there are a few of us here who have an H-500,
but very few, or no, patch cables. I think Molex pins have been tried
and rejected.
Nope. I've been loo
look thru their con-line catalog.
Karl
- Original Message -
From: "william degnan"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: DEC H-500 Computer Lab pins and docs (was Re: Straight 8 up on
Ebay just now
The other thing that's not trivial is that if you make a mistake, you will
likely either: 1. Die. 2. Burn down your house. 3. Ruin some expensive
and rare gear.
To me, that all sounds like a helluva pain and != trivial. Then again, I'm
a software guy. What do I know? :-P
Some fun pics:
https://
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-)
>>> The photo of that unit is entertaining. Wh
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
> > On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> >> Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-)
> > The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup
> > 3x 30A 220v outlets.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:32 AM, william degnan wrote:
>> Also, the 1969 Computer Lab Handbook is on bitsavers (in
>> 'dec/handbooks'). I recall a 8.5"x11" book on the Computer Lab, newer
>> layout, probably a 1970s publication date, possibly a teacher's guide.
>> I was given one as a kid, but i
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:01 AM, wrote:
> > also a Rare Digital DEC H-500 Computer Lab, 1960s, Same Switches as
> > PDP-8/I, Vintage for 700+
> >
> > ( we have an extra one of these Computer Lab, if anyone here is
> > interested)
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
>> Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-)
>
> The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup
> 3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electric
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:01 AM, wrote:
> also a Rare Digital DEC H-500 Computer Lab, 1960s, Same Switches as
> PDP-8/I, Vintage for 700+
>
> ( we have an extra one of these Computer Lab, if anyone here is
> interested)
Does anyone have a modern source of pins that fit the socket holes in
The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup
3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electrician very
happy.
At the old small office I would just pop some breakers out and replace
them with 2 pole 30 amp ones. When it was at the hackerspace there wa
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-)
The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup
3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electrician very
happy.
I worked with a Cray for a while of about the s
That said I'd figure though some of the higher prices such as the
current PDP8/I and GT40 are setting for want of bids, they aren't that
far from what you have to pay to get said systems on demand. This one
may go for around the opportunistic price, and be lower, but $10 to $12k
isn't going to be
there is an 8i with similar crazy price but different user id
hmmm beware?
also a Rare Digital DEC H-500 Computer Lab, 1960s, Same Switches as
PDP-8/I, Vintage for 700+
( we have an extra one of these Computer Lab, if anyone here is
interested)
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http
EEEKK!!! and it is not the one with the Plexiglas surrounds... kaaa
ching..$$$
It does have a nice a/d unit Ed#
In a message dated 7/19/2016 12:07:02 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
jwsm...@jwsss.com writes:
On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, Sam O'nella wrote:
> There may be some archives he
On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, Sam O'nella wrote:
There may be some archives here or vcf with enough prices. Iirc i thought i
remember one selling for something pretty high (8000/12000?) X years ago
although i think like this it's a calculated price of doubling the last sale
they saw. Although apple
There may be some archives here or vcf with enough prices. Iirc i thought i
remember one selling for something pretty high (8000/12000?) X years ago
although i think like this it's a calculated price of doubling the last sale
they saw. Although apple 1s seem to accomplish whatever that law is c
On Jul 18, 2016 2:30 PM, "Ian S. King" wrote:
>
> Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty durable. The electronics around
> it may fail but the core planes themselves seem robust. At least that's
> been my experience. -- Ian
There are known cases of IBM System/3 core that had failed beyond p
om my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message
From: "Ian S. King"
Date: 7/18/16 17:29 (GMT-07:00)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Subject: Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now
Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty
Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty durable. The electronics around
it may fail but the core planes themselves seem robust. At least that's
been my experience. -- Ian
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
> >> 25,000, Alexandria,
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
>> 25,000, Alexandria, Va.
>> Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
>
> Is that a dream price for such a system or realistic?
Curious myself. They don't come up every day. The description says:
"Last turned on the lights worked but the memo
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:58 PM, jim stephens wrote:
> 25,000, Alexandria, Va.
>
> Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
>
Yeah, that's a pleasant dream :). I'd have to sell my car and a couple of
vital organs first...
>
> BTW, about the other nice system noted here, I was hopin
25,000, Alexandria, Va.
Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
Is that a dream price for such a system or realistic? I notice the
corrosion on the front key.
25,000, Alexandria, Va.
Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work.
BTW, about the other nice system noted here, I was hoping the 11/20
would stay off the radar and not go for a zillion bucks, so much for
that idea. At least I have the means to go to Tucson and get it if I'm
nuts and
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