RE: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Dave Wade wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Ethan Dicks > > Sent: 19 June 2020 15:44 > > To: Dave Wade ; General Discussion: On-Topic > > and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of > > cctalk/cc

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk > wrote: >> Its been ages since I did this but looking here >> >> https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm >> >> I see we have a transmit clock output on pin

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 19/06/2020 11:07, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: I already tried extracting ZSDRIVER.EXE from the DECnet/OSI kit for VAX/VMS 7.3 and placing it in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES but ZSA0: remained stubbornly offline until I installed the rest of DECnet/OSI and the LES$ACP_V30 process started. I think

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2020-06-19 11:43 a.m., Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: Its been ages since I did this but looking here https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm I see we have a transmit clock output on pin 24, transmit clock input on

RE: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: Ethan Dicks > Sent: 19 June 2020 15:44 > To: Dave Wade ; General Discussion: On-Topic > and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of > cctalk/cctech > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Da

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > Its been ages since I did this but looking here > > https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm > > I see we have a transmit clock output on pin 24, transmit clock input on 15 > and RX clock input on 17. > So if on checking w

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > >> ... > > The specifications manual says that the maximum speed for the DST32 is > 19200 bps (for HDLC or SDLC) or 9600 bps (for DDCMP) but worryingly > doesn't list a speed for BISYNC which is what I want to do with it :-(

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Antonio Carlini wrote: On 18/06/2020 14:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > > I have found the whole thing very confusing too.  My suspicion was also > that they were pretty much the same thing but the DST32 had exernal > connectors suitable for mounting in a MicroVAX 2000 while the DST32 had >

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:21:14AM +0100, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: > [...] Some of the UK banking systems like HOBS survived using viewdata that > way up to the end of the 1990s, and I still have at least a couple of 1275 > modems. Hobbyists are still running Viewdata BBSes. Here's one conn

RE: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan > via cctalk > Sent: 18 June 2020 23:11 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of > cctalk/cctech > > Ethan D

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > ... >> Anyway, this whole line of attack is fairly academic as the modems can >> only do 48kbps - 160kbps and the maximum for the DSH/T32 seems to be >> 19200bps. >> > > I'd be surprised if they don't work at up to 56k a

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:21 PM, Pete Turnbull via cctalk > wrote: > > On 18/06/2020 21:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > >> I did see something vaguely similar. Bell 202 modems are 1200 baud FSK, so >> on a voice channel they normally are 1200 bps half duplex. They can also be >> hooked

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > I can rustle up +/-12V with a bench supply or two but I don't have a > 1488 handy. I should be able to borrow a MAX232 from something though. > I don't have any baud rate generators lying around either. How about a >

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2020-06-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/18/20 2:55 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > Ethan Dicks wrote: > I can rustle up +/-12V with a bench supply or two but I don't have a > 1488 handy. I should be able to borrow a MAX232 from something though. > I don't have any baud rate generators lying around either. How about a > 555

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 18/06/2020 21:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: I did see something vaguely similar. Bell 202 modems are 1200 baud FSK, so on a voice channel they normally are 1200 bps half duplex. They can also be hooked up to 4-wire fixed circuits. But they have a reverse channel, good for 150 baud i

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > > Thanks for your reply Paul. My eventual goal is to be able to use the > > synchronous serial interface on a MicroVAX to connect to IBM machines that > > only support bisync lines. > > I'm curious which sof

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:08 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > As for the clocking, yes, a modem or modem eliminator provides the > > baud rate clocking on pins 15 and 17. You could use any one of a > > number of baud rate generators... > I can rustle up +/-12V with a b

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:53 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > > To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous > > serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe) > > interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D c

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > > > ... > > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous mode > > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX > > synchronous serial interfaces I have access to,

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 18/06/2020 14:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: I have found the whole thing very confusing too.  My suspicion was also that they were pretty much the same thing but the DST32 had exernal connectors suitable for mounting in a MicroVAX 2000 while the DST32 had external connectors that could

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2020-06-18 3:34 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/18/20 6:06 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: and I also have two Nokia DS 60100 baseband modems, one with a V.35 interface card and one with an X.21 interface card.  When I hook up the former with the BC19F cable, I can get the lig

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: >> On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: >> >>> We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our >>> own Bisync products, and

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > > We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our > > own Bisync products, and DDCMP over interfaces like the one that's > > part of the DMF32... > > My rec

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > However, Peter uses PMDF MAIL to post to the list because it has been > pointed out to him that VMS MAIL doesn't do References: and In-Reply-To: > headers correctly. On that note, has anyone heard from Mouse? I haven't > seen anything posted

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/18/20 11:55 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > We used to run our sync serial stuff between 9600 and 56kbps, both our > own Bisync products, and DDCMP over interfaces like the one that's > part of the DMF32. We had customers in Europe running our products at > 64kbps with no problems, and w

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:42 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > Thanks for your reply Paul. My eventual goal is to be able to use the > synchronous serial interface on a MicroVAX to connect to IBM machines that > only support bisync lines. I'm curious which software package you are using. In

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 2:48 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > > wrote: > > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous > > modems > > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:53 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous > serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe) > interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable > whic

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > As I mentioned in another reply, I have a pair of baseband synchronous modems > and were it not for a speed incompatibility between them and the MicroVAX > synchronous serial interfaces I have access to, ... I'm curio

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Paul Berger wrote: On 2020-06-18 6:06 a.m., Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > > > To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous > serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe) > interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a B

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/18/20 6:06 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > and I also have two Nokia DS 60100 baseband modems, one with a V.35 > interface card and one with an X.21 interface card.  When I hook up the > former with the BC19F cable, I can get the lights on the modem to react > when I try to access ZSA0:

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2020-06-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Antonio Carlini wrote: On 18/06/2020 10:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > > To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous > serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe) > interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC1

Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 09:42:16AM +0100, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: [...] > I wrote this as one dollar => $1.00 > This as one pound => $1 > And this as one euro => €1 > Lastly one cent => ¢1 This came over the wire as follows: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encod

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2020-06-18 6:06 a.m., Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe) interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable which seem to

Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 11:10, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > Dave -- I suppose the solve is to write it out long hand as in > One Dollar One Cent One Pound... Dear hypothetical deities, no. That causes problems with translation, people not knowing the name of another country's c

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2020-06-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 10:42, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > > I wrote this as one dollar => $1.00 Dollar symbol, one > This as one pound => $1 Dollar symbol, 1 > And this as one euro => €1 Euro symbol, one > Lastly one cent => ¢1 Cent symbol, one Fascinating. -- Liam Proven – Profile: ht

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2020-06-18 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 18/06/2020 10:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: To get somewhere near back on topic, I am trying to set up a synchronous serial link between two MicroVAX 3100 machines with DSH32 (or DST32 maybe) interfaces. One of the options I have is a BC19D cable and a BC19V cable which seem to be iden

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Dave Wade wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan > > via cctalk > > Sent: 18 June 2020 08:22 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: RE: Future of cctalk/cctech > > > > ED SHARPE wrote: > > > Use modern email program

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2020-06-18 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
Dave --  I  suppose   the  solve  is  to  write  it  out  long hand  as in One Dollar   One Cent  One  Pound... I never  considered  how  the  monetary vales   could  get  screwed up. Ed#...CIn a message dated 6/18/2020 1:42:27 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:   >