> On Jun 15, 2015, at 09:50 , Richard Loken
> wrote:
>
> You need to read a little tome entitled "Mastering VMS" by David W. Byron or
> maybe "The VMS User's Manual" that came with VAX/VMS Version 5.
I'll look for those. Thanks!
ANd the /NOASSIST switch worked for me. I didn't even need to pr
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the
> BACKUP program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the
> way a task can be suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
There are several:
$ submit /queue=sys$batch /nopri
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> How do I respond to tape mount requests on the same console where I'm
> running BACKUP? When I get the request asking whether to create a new tape
> volume, it doesn't seem to respond to terminal input.
First, initialize all the tapes you might need usi
Cable is routed now. Instead of routing it out the bottom of the cage and
letting it mingle with the ribbon cables, I routed it over the top, out through
the power supply area, and then along the folding gantry that the power inlet
and power control cables are strapped to. Time to see if it'll t
On 2015-06-14 20:52, Mark J. Blair wrote:
I have a DEC distribution panel and internal cable. The panel has a circuit
breaker, a 15 pin D connector on the outer side for the transceiver, and
another 15 pin D connector on the inner side for the internal cable between the
DELUA card and the dist
> That might be a good approach. The DELUA end of the cable has a Berg connec$
(Please try to avoid paragraph-length lines.)
I once had a machine in a case it wasn't designed for, leading me to
want to extend a DA-15 AUI connector. I experimented with plain
untwisted, unshielded, un-ground-plan
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 11:52, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
> The back of the 730 chassis does not have an open slot for the Ethernet
> transceiver
I meant to write that it doesn't have an open slot for the Ethernet bulkhead
panel.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X
http://www.nf6x.net/
I have a DEC distribution panel and internal cable. The panel has a circuit
breaker, a 15 pin D connector on the outer side for the transceiver, and
another 15 pin D connector on the inner side for the internal cable between the
DELUA card and the distribution panel.
The back of the 730 chassi
On 2015-06-14 19:25, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Jun 14, 2015, at 10:01, tony duell wrote:
If the connector on the DELUA board is a normal Berg-type header (and I think
it is) then maybe you could
use a piece of (twist-n-flat?) ribbon cable to make an extension that could be
routed through the
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 10:01, tony duell wrote:
>
> If the connector on the DELUA board is a normal Berg-type header (and I think
> it is) then maybe you could
> use a piece of (twist-n-flat?) ribbon cable to make an extension that could
> be routed through the cable
> pan arrangement and then
>
> Ok, next puzzle is figuring out how to route the cable between the DELUA and
> the bulkhead panel. I
> removed it because it kept getting tangled when rolling the CPU chassis in
> and out. The cable clamps
> under the cabinet deal with flat cables much better than round ones, so I'll
> n
BACKUP/NOASSIST did the trick!
Ok, next puzzle is figuring out how to route the cable between the DELUA and
the bulkhead panel. I removed it because it kept getting tangled when rolling
the CPU chassis in and out. The cable clamps under the cabinet deal with flat
cables much better than round o
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 02:36, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>
>
> Another way is to log on a second time using a terminal other than the
> console,
> issue reply/enable and then reply to the messages you receive there.
I'll eventually hook up more serial lines, but at the moment the room is
cluttered
>
> Thanks! I'll look up all of those commands to understand them better.
>
> ^Y looks familiar. I think this is the second time I have learned about it. :)
>
>
> > On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:40, Jerry Weiss wrote:
> >
> > If you are running backup and it is asking for additional tapes, then I
> >
I'm still fumbling around with the multi-tape backup of the R80 drive and
haven't quite gotten it working yet. But I've made some other good progress!
That RL02 pack labeled "VMS53RL02SYS" does contain a working VMS 5.3
installation. I backed it up to tape while booted from the R80, then did a
Thanks! I'll look up all of those commands to understand them better.
^Y looks familiar. I think this is the second time I have learned about it. :)
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:40, Jerry Weiss wrote:
>
> If you are running backup and it is asking for additional tapes, then I
> believe you can do
If you are running backup and it is asking for additional tapes, then I believe
you can do the following
^Y
$spawn
$
$reply/enable=all
initialize additional tapes as needed (prior tape should have rewound…)
mount tape
$reply/to=MESSAGEID
$exit
$continue
Jerry Weiss WB9MRI
j...@ieee
Thanks! I will try that out.
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 18:01, Glen Slick wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>> Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the
>> BACKUP program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way
>>
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the
> BACKUP program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way a
> task can be suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
>
I'm no expert, but I think you can sometimes
Thanks, I will read that. But how do I enter the reply command when the BACKUP
program is hogging the console? Is there a VMS equivalent to the way a task can
be suspended in UNIX with ^Z?
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 17:28, Glen Slick wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Mark J. Blair wrot
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> I figured out pre-initializing the tape by trial and error, but now I'm stuck
> at knowing how to respond when I get the OPCON request for another tape. The
> system drive has too much data for one tape, but at least I managed to make
> it
Incidentally, today's session would have consumed 130 pages of greenbar if I
hadn't used a terminal emulator. VMS sure has a lot to get off its chest! :)
I figured out pre-initializing the tape by trial and error, but now I'm stuck
at knowing how to respond when I get the OPCON request for another tape. The
system drive has too much data for one tape, but at least I managed to make it
through writing one tape.
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 16:46, Jerry
Very good progress.
Suggest you initialize and mount the tapes first, then do the backup.
$init mta0:/density=1600 JUN2015
$mount mta0: JUN2015
Substitute your actual tape device name for mta0: and need to use /density as
applicable.
Jerry Weiss, WB9MRI
j...@ieee.org
> On Jun 13, 201
> On Jun 13, 2015, at 14:29, Peter Coghlan wrote:
> Did I say that?
>
> I meant:
>
> $ spawn /nowait @sys$system:startup.com
>
> (sorry)
Aha! Now I understand.
Ok, I have the SYSTEM password reset, and the license pak installed. Next task
is to perform backups. First attempt to do that has
>
>
> I'm having trouble with the password reset procedure (but will resolve it by
> the end of this message). When I run AUTHORIZE, I get this:
>
[snip]
> $ set noon
> set noon
> $ spawn /nowait sys$system:startup.com
> spawn /nowait sys$system:startup.com
> %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spaw
I'm having trouble with the password reset procedure (but will resolve it by
the end of this message). When I run AUTHORIZE, I get this:
$ run authorize
run authorize
%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SECURESHRP
-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file PIKE$DQA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SECURESHRP.EXE;2
> I don't remember exactly what I have, but the binders that came with my
> system might include an R80 manual (to
> be scanned, of course!).
Bitsavers has the service manual, pocket service guide and printset.
The service manual is, as I would expect, a module replacement level manual. It
is
I don't remember exactly what I have, but the binders that came with my system
might include an R80 manual (to be scanned, of course!).
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X
http://www.nf6x.net/
> Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, and
> massaged into a usable state
> by another list member, I just booted OpenVMS 7.3 off the R80 drive on my
> VAX-11/730 for the first time since
> buying the machine. Woohoo!
Well done. The 11/730 is, to me, an inte
> On Jun 12, 2015, at 07:57, Antonio Carlini wrote:
>
> Doesn't control-P on the console halt the machine on a VAX-11/730?
It brings up the console prompt, but the (H)alt command just prints the PC
rather than triggering a halt on the 725/730.
Next time I work on the system (Tonight? Or maybe
On 2015-06-12 17:00, Peter Coghlan wrote:
Thanks, that works! I also turned off write lock, which makes it happier.
Great :-)
Great indeed. Fun that you can even get 7.3 running on that old
hardware. I don't think that it was officially supported, but I would
have been surprised if it out
>
> Thanks, that works! I also turned off write lock, which makes it happier.
>
Great :-)
>
> Wow, that boot sure takes forever. What the heck is it *doing* for all of
> that time? :)
>
If you want speed, you need an Alpha, not a VAX :-)
There could be all sorts of stuff in the startup file
(SY
Doesn't control-P on the console halt the machine on a VAX-11/730?
On 12 June 2015 at 15:44, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> Found this:
>
> http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1078
>
> Unfortunately, console halt isn't implemented on the 725/730, so I think a
> hard power off is my only option.
>
>
> --
>
Found this:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1078
Unfortunately, console halt isn't implemented on the 725/730, so I think a hard
power off is my only option.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X
http://www.nf6x.net/
> On Jun 12, 2015, at 04:01, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>
> If the machine just sits there indefinately after loading the MSCP disk
> server,
> you probably don't have enough cluster votes to proceed and the best thing to
> do is perform a conversational boot which usually involves setting the least
>
> Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, and
> massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted
> OpenVMS 7.3 off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since
> buying the machine. Woohoo!
>
Excellent!
>
> For some reason, I was una
On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:25 , Paul Anderson wrote:
> Congrats!
Thanks! I was pretty surprised when the boot messages started coming out on the
DECwriter III!
On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:28 , Ethan Dicks wrote:
> Back in the day, we ran VMS 5.0 on our 11/730, because we needed a
> machine to link our
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, and
> massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted OpenVMS
> 7.3 off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since buying the
> machin
Congrats!
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member,
> and massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted
> OpenVMS 7.3 off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since
> buying t
Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, and
massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted OpenVMS 7.3
off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since buying the machine.
Woohoo!
For some reason, I was unable to do that with the v
On 2015-06-09 23:54, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Jun 9, 2015, at 14:43 , Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yes, R5 is more or less used the same on all VAXen, since this is used by VMB,
which almost all VAXen use in one form or another.
Thank you very much for the R5 details!
I presume that the other re
>
> I do not think you can install VMS on an RL02. It's too small.
Probably not with modern-ish VMS, but at one time I think you could. I read
somewhere that a
supported configuration of the 11/730 was the processor and 2 RL02 drives, one
for the system, the
other for user files
I must get m
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 14:43 , Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Yes, R5 is more or less used the same on all VAXen, since this is used by
> VMB, which almost all VAXen use in one form or another.
Thank you very much for the R5 details!
I presume that the other registers and the VMB.EXE that reads them
On 2015-06-09 20:01, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Jun 9, 2015, at 09:57 , Peter Coghlan wrote:
[Lots of great stuff]
Thank you very much! The clue about R5 on other VAXen may prove to be
critically helpful. I can study the various boot scripts for clues to see if
the register use looks consiste
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 09:57 , Peter Coghlan wrote:
> [Lots of great stuff]
Thank you very much! The clue about R5 on other VAXen may prove to be
critically helpful. I can study the various boot scripts for clues to see if
the register use looks consistent. I did see one hint that sticking 1 ins
>
> The issue that I'm having at the moment is that when I try to boot from either
> that RL02 pack or the R80, VMB.EXE reports "%BOOT-F-Unable to locate BOOT
> file". I don't know yet whether there's something not-right about the
> contents of the hard drives, or I need to configure something (?)
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 09:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> On 2015-06-09 17:45, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>> Self-replying for another possibly-dumb question. Would any of the TU58
>> images below likely be full VMS installation images, as opposed to just
>> updates and patches?
>>
>> http://iamvirtu
On 2015-06-09 17:45, Mark J. Blair wrote:
Self-replying for another possibly-dumb question. Would any of the TU58 images
below likely be full VMS installation images, as opposed to just updates and
patches?
http://iamvirtual.ca/VAX11/VAX-11-software.html
If you by "full VMS installation" mea
Self-replying for another possibly-dumb question. Would any of the TU58 images
below likely be full VMS installation images, as opposed to just updates and
patches?
http://iamvirtual.ca/VAX11/VAX-11-software.html
If so, another option might be to make a fresh installation onto a blank RL02
(I
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 08:58, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>
> Standalone backup is a very small VMS environment. You get a "$" prompt and
> the only command which it accepts is "BACKUP". You don't get to mount
> anything
> as BACKUP will perform any mounting needed itself. I'm not sure but it is
> al
Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
> Since I can't seem to boot up my R80 or my other RL02 pack (labeled
> "VMS53RL02SYS" on top) yet, I've been trying to bring up the VMS 5.3
> Standalone Backup tape images I found there. No luck so far. I have
> never run a VMS Standalone Backup environment before, but I am
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 07:05, Mike Ross wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>> I finally got the excellent AK6DN tu58em emulator working as my VAX-11/730's
>> console drive, as discussed on VCF.
>
> Could you throw me a link to that please? I have a 730 I'm going to
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
> I finally got the excellent AK6DN tu58em emulator working as my VAX-11/730's
> console drive, as discussed on VCF.
Could you throw me a link to that please? I have a 730 I'm going to
have to have a hack at at some point...
Mike
http://www.
On 06/07/2015 10:02 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
And... All diagnostics pass! Woohoo!
Great to hear, well done Mark! I hope one of these days soon I'll join
you - my 730 was able to boot the last time I powered it up in the early
90s, but I have no idea what I'll find when I finally amass the
n
> On Jun 7, 2015, at 13:05, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
> A couple of folks have clued me in to my mistake: I should have been trying
> to boot DQ0/1 instead of DU0/1. Now I'm getting disk activity followed by
> "%BOOT-F-Unable to locate BOOT file", which is better! I found 725/730
> diagnostics o
A couple of folks have clued me in to my mistake: I should have been trying to
boot DQ0/1 instead of DU0/1. Now I'm getting disk activity followed by
"%BOOT-F-Unable to locate BOOT file", which is better! I found 725/730
diagnostics on another tape image, so I'll try running those next.
Yay!
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