Re: Altair BASIC copyright [was RE: Larry Niven's Altair]

2015-08-25 Thread Kelly Leavitt
From: cctalk on behalf of couryho...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:45 PM >But would you REALLY even want to spend the amount > of money to argue this with the lawyers of Gates and Allen? Argue pro se for a while at least. You don't always have to have a lawyer. Where's the

Re: Altair BASIC copyright [was RE: Larry Niven's Altair]

2015-08-25 Thread COURYHOUSE
ussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Larry Niven's Altair > On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: >>> I assume all the 8K, 4K BASICs are in public domain by now. The >>> demo for the kids will

Altair BASIC copyright [was RE: Larry Niven's Altair]

2015-08-25 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Paul Koning Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 7:48 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Larry Niven's Altair > On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: >>> I assume all the 8K,

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Tothwolf wrote: Indeed. Apple even screwed up on this with their iconic rainbow apple logo. I discovered this while researching the history of the logo while doing image work on Wikipedia / Wikimedia Commons many years ago. It is still a trademark, but the image is public d

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-22 Thread Tothwolf
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: I assume all the 8K, 4K BASICs are in public domain by now. The demo for the kids will be the 15 minutes of paper tape, followed by READY. Bad assumption. Thin

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-22 Thread Robert Ferguson
I have had several similar personal experiences. Even in the face of extreme need, huge companies and major institutions sometimes can't find things you'd think should be at their fingertips. When you think about it from a historical point of view, it's actually pretty shocking. > On Aug 21, 2

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Eric Smith
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Indeed, I've been contacted by an author for a copy of his own software to > be licensed to another party, as he'd lost the code several years back. > (Yes, I purchased a license way back when). A few years ago, an engineer at a Very Big Corp

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Chuck Guzis
Be it right or wrong to use an unlicensed copy...Even back in 1976 MSOFT to my knowledge did not pursue legal action against end users for violation of its BASIC license, so why in 2015 presume MSOFT would start now? To be honorable it would not hurt to send a letter to the Living History Museu

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, william degnan wrote: Gates does not care about personal use of MITS software, be realistic. B . . . Be it right or wrong to use an unlicensed copy...Even back in 1976 MSOFT to my knowledge did not pursue legal action against end users for violation of its BASIC license, so

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread william degnan
On Aug 20, 2015 10:08 PM, "Chuck Guzis" wrote: > > On 08/20/2015 06:44 PM, william degnan wrote: > >> Gates does not care about personal use of MITS software, be >> realistic. B > > > So--ask. I don't presume to read the minds of others. > Chuck..allow me to posit an alternative view Be it righ

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/20/2015 06:44 PM, william degnan wrote: Gates does not care about personal use of MITS software, be realistic. B So--ask. I don't presume to read the minds of others. --Chuck

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread william degnan
On Aug 20, 2015 6:43 PM, "Fred Cisin" wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> >> But yeah, I'd hate to run up against BillG in a spat over appropriating his Altair BASIC. He could squash me like a bug with his legal resources. I recall that other outfits stealing his code was one of

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: But yeah, I'd hate to run up against BillG in a spat over appropriating his Altair BASIC. He could squash me like a bug with his legal resources. I recall that other outfits stealing his code was one of his big public gripes back in the pre-PC days. Bet

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread william degnan
LOL Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Aug 20, 2015 6:32 PM, "Fred Cisin" wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, william degnan wrote: > >> I do have my MITS Basic license, so.. >> > > Is it transferrable? > > >

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, william degnan wrote: I do have my MITS Basic license, so.. Is it transferrable?

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread william degnan
I do have my MITS Basic license, so.. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Aug 20, 2015 2:48 PM, "Jay Jaeger" wrote: > > > On 8/20/2015 9:47 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > >> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrot

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/20/2015 9:47 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> >> >> >> On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: >>> Who picked this up - >>> >>> I may have some cash for the buyer to mate it with my new ASR33, on its way >>> via crate and freight. >>> >>> An

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/20/2015 10:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: So, the only hope for something published in the last half century to be public domain now would be if it were explicitly placed in public domain, or were originally published without notice before 1978. It used to be (and maybe still is) acceptable to

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Fred Cisin
I assume all the 8K, 4K BASICs are in public domain by now. The demo for the kids will be the 15 minutes of paper tape, followed by READY. Bad assumption. Things that were actually registered even if there was no notice, or published with a copyright notice would still be protected under U.S.

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > > > > On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: >> Who picked this up - >> >> I may have some cash for the buyer to mate it with my new ASR33, on its way >> via crate and freight. >> >> Anybody got debug and startup tips on the 33, it prob

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread william degnan
Here is what I've put together over the years, at least get you started. http://vintagecomputer.net/teletype/ On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > > > On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: >> Who picked this up - >> >> I may have some cash for the buyer to mate it with my n

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/20/2015 3:32 AM, Randy Dawson wrote: > Who picked this up - > > I may have some cash for the buyer to mate it with my new ASR33, on its way > via crate and freight. > > Anybody got debug and startup tips on the 33, it probably has been siting for > a while. > (like who has the melted ham

RE: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-08-20 Thread Randy Dawson
assume all the 8K, 4K BASICs are in public domain by now. The demo for the kids will be the 15 minutes of paper tape, followed by READY. Randy > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 01:44:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: Larry Niven's Altair > From: drlegen...@gmail.com > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > &g

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-07-24 Thread drlegendre .
Larry Niven's Altair?? That sounds an awful lot like Hitler's Canoe, if you know what I mean.. ;-) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jason Scott wrote: > Already removed. > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:14 PM, wrote: > > > > > An Altair 8800 that once belonge

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-07-24 Thread COURYHOUSE
NO... HAS NOT STARTED YET! ED# . In a message dated 7/24/2015 8:32:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ja...@textfiles.com writes: Already removed. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:14 PM, wrote: > > An Altair 8800 that once belonged to Larry Niven is up for auction. > > Larry Niven has l

Re: Larry Niven's Altair

2015-07-24 Thread Jason Scott
Already removed. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:14 PM, wrote: > > An Altair 8800 that once belonged to Larry Niven is up for auction. > > Larry Niven has long been a member of the Los Angeles Science Fantasy > Society (www.lasfs.org). This group has existed since 1934 and was the > starting point fo

Larry Niven's Altair

2015-07-24 Thread dave
An Altair 8800 that once belonged to Larry Niven is up for auction. Larry Niven has long been a member of the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society (www.lasfs.org). This group has existed since 1934 and was the starting point for many science fiction and fantasy authors. Larry Niven is one of t