Re: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-05 Thread Cindy Croxton via cctalk
https://elecshopper.com/en/software/242-dos-6-22-and-windows-3-1-on-3-5-inch-floppy-diskettes.html This is the only OS I have listed right now. My computer crashed, and after YEARS of MS, I now am learning to use Linux. Very steep curve for me! As soon as I get photo editors and other stuff ins

Re: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-05 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020, Cindy Croxton via cctalk wrote: The picture referenced is for an aftermarket version of DOS. The retail versions came in fancy white boxes with hologram logos. I can probably take a picture of one in my warehouse, if you need it. Do you happen to have any boxed copies of 3

RE: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-05 Thread Ali via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Cindy > Croxton via cctalk > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2020 1:50 PM > To: Ali via cctalk > Subject: Re: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations > > The picture referenc

Re: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-05 Thread Cindy Croxton via cctalk
The picture referenced is for an aftermarket version of DOS. The retail versions came in fancy white boxes with hologram logos. I can probably take a picture of one in my warehouse, if you need it. Cindy On 10/5/20 3:04 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote: We need to differentiate between Retail Sales

RE: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-05 Thread Ali via cctalk
> We need to differentiate between Retail Sales BY MICROSOFT, V > manufacture > and WHOLESALE sales by Microsoft to OEMs for them to retail. With a > WIDE > variety of different packagings, ranging from personalized to the OEM > (Compaq, Zenith, Morrow, etc.), very generic, and even packaging that

Re: DRIVPARM and DRIVER.SYS (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/4/20 12:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> On SOME systems, you could substitute >>> DRIVPARM = /D:1 /F:2 for similar effect. > > On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> IIRC, in xDOS 3.2 and 3.3 DRIVPARM produced an error if specified as >> usual, but when DRIVPARM was suf

Re: DRIVPARM and DRIVER.SYS (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On SOME systems, you could substitute DRIVPARM = /D:1 /F:2 for similar effect. On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: IIRC, in xDOS 3.2 and 3.3 DRIVPARM produced an error if specified as usual, but when DRIVPARM was suffixed by a string of three contorl-A (hex 01h) characters, it wor

RE: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
> MS-DOS 5.00 first version sold RETAIL On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, Ali wrote: Fred,I have to respectfully disagree here. 3.20 was sold in retail. It was packaged in the dark blue packaging which was the norm for MS at that time (after the green packaging of earlier products).?? I have a copy sitting

Re: DRIVPARM and DRIVER.SYS (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/4/20 10:54 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On SOME systems, you could substitute > DRIVPARM = /D:1 /F:2 for similar effect. > Same switches as DRIVER.SYS. > EXCEPT, DRIVPARM would alter the parameters for existing drive letter, > NOT create a new drive letter.  See also, LASTDRIVE > (With

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Will Senn via cctalk
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, Will Senn wrote: >> I am using a Thinkpad T430 w/DOS 6.22. If I can figure out how to get 3.31 >> on there, I'll give it a shot. I bought a Floppy-USB connector for my old >> 1.44 flop

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, Will Senn wrote: I am using a Thinkpad T430 w/DOS 6.22. If I can figure out how to get 3.31 on there, I'll give it a shot. I bought a Floppy-USB connector for my old 1.44 floppy drive and it works fine with DOS 6.22, but I'm not sure where to locate 3.31 media that I could b

DRIVPARM and DRIVER.SYS (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
When 5150, 5160, and 5170 first came out, 3.5" drives did not yet exist. OEMs that were early adopters of them used MS-DOS 2.11. The disk format was not always the same as what IBM used starting with DOS 3.20. For example, GAVILAN MS-DOS 2.11 supported 720K 3.5", but with a different format unt

RE: DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Ali via cctalk
>MS-DOS 5.00first version sold RETAILFred,I have to respectfully disagree >here. 3.20 was sold in retail. It was packaged in the dark blue packaging >which was the norm for MS at that time (after the green packaging of earlier >products).  I have a copy sitting up on my shelf (in fact I ha

DOS Versions (Was: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, Richard Cini wrote: I would only emphasize that 3.5? support didn?t exist before DOS 3 (I forget if it was 3 or 3.1; it was when the PS/2 came out). So you have to watch the image sizes. PS/2 came out with PC-DOS 3.30 But also an IBM push for OS/2 DOS versions according

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
https://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=60 If you can find a way to format a MS DOS compatible diskette in the format you need, here is how to get DOS 1 or DOS 3.3 onto that disk and make it bootable. Bill

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Will Senn via cctalk
ex0l> for iOS *From:* cctalk on behalf of Will Senn via cctalk *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 10:52:49 AM *To:* Fred Cisin ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts *Subject:* Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations On 10/3/20 4:07 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 3

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Richard Cini via cctalk
nd Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations On 10/3/20 4:07 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 3 Oct 2020, Will Senn via cctalk wrote: >> 2. Most of the Assembly examples use DOS interrupt 21 for output. Is >> this typical of assembly programs of the time, o

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Will Senn via cctalk
On 10/3/20 4:07 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Sat, 3 Oct 2020, Will Senn via cctalk wrote: 2. Most of the Assembly examples use DOS interrupt 21 for output. Is this typical of assembly programs of the time, or did folks use other methods? For simple stuff, Int21H works and is portable t

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Will Senn via cctalk
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 12:44:26 PM To: Will Senn via cctalk Subject: Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations On 10/3/20 8:38 AM, Will Senn via cctalk wrote: Some questions I have related to the exploration: 1. I'm curious if there are other folks out there doing similar stuff? 2. Most of

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-04 Thread Will Senn via cctalk
On 10/3/20 11:44 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/3/20 8:38 AM, Will Senn via cctalk wrote: Some questions I have related to the exploration: 1. I'm curious if there are other folks out there doing similar stuff? 2. Most of the Assembly examples use DOS interrupt 21 for output. Is this

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020, Will Senn via cctalk wrote: 2. Most of the Assembly examples use DOS interrupt 21 for output. Is this typical of assembly programs of the time, or did folks use other methods? For simple stuff, Int21H works and is portable to anything running MS-DOS. Int10H is less portable

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-03 Thread Richard Cini via cctalk
S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS From: cctalk on behalf of Chuck Guzis via cctalk Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 12:44:26 PM To: Will Senn via cctalk Subject: Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations On 10/3/20 8:38 AM, Will Se

Re: IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/3/20 8:38 AM, Will Senn via cctalk wrote: > Some questions I have related to the exploration: > > 1. I'm curious if there are other folks out there doing similar stuff? > 2. Most of the Assembly examples use DOS interrupt 21 for output. Is > this typical of assembly programs of the time, or

IBM PC-DOS 2.10 explorations

2020-10-03 Thread Will Senn via cctalk
All, I've been delving into ancient IBM PC-DOS... 1.0, 2.0 and have landed on 2.10 as the experience I'm going to hang out with for a while. It's stable in QEMU and 86Box and I am able to run MASM 1.0, 2.0 and Pascal 1.0 and 2.0. 86Box is more true to old-school boxes, but qemu runs on my Ma