Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-31 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Brent Hilpert > - ca. 1970: The well-known story of the 4004 is that Busicom .. asked > Intel to manufacture a set of ASIC LSI chips, of Busicom's design, for > a new calculator. .. Hoff, who looked at the multiple chip designs and > conceived instead of a software (fir

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-31 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Paul Koning > Supposedly some of the impetus for integrated circuits came from the > space program -- but I think the first ones (at TI) predate that. "Digital Apollo" (pg. 125) says that Fairchild was first to ship commercially, in 1961 ("Journey to the Moon" puts it in the f

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-31 Thread Jon Elson
On 2015-Oct-30, at 7:25 PM, william degnan wrote: So chances are that various government programs helped at the margins, but were not drivers. (Think I got that attribution right...) Well, one BIG thing that moved LSI forward was the VHSIC project and others at DARPA. They funded a lot of w

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-31 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-30, at 7:25 PM, william degnan wrote: > On Oct 30, 2015 8:50 PM, "Paul Koning" wrote: >> >>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Murray McCullough < > c.murray.mccullo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the >>> microcomputer? What mone

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-30 Thread william degnan
On Oct 30, 2015 8:50 PM, "Paul Koning" wrote: > > > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Murray McCullough < c.murray.mccullo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the > > microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide? > > Interesting question.

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-30 Thread Paul Koning
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Murray McCullough > wrote: > > What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the > microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide? Interesting question. Supposedly some of the impetus for integrated circuits came from the space program -

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-30 Thread william degnan
> > > Instead, we need to look at the relative involvements of academia, guvmint, military, and industry (foreign and domestic). Like the development of the internet (I do not see an "invention" nor a definable creation date), there were several major forces that helped in their own self-serving w

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-30 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015, Murray McCullough wrote: What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide? “Steve Jobs the Movie” doesn’t mention this nor have books written about him and microcomputers in general mentioned this. Not ev

Re: Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-30 Thread Ben Sinclair
I can't answer that question directly... The new Steve Jobs movie, while a good, entertaining Sorkin film, is great, but by not a history of personal computing or even Apple. If you haven't read Hackers by Steven Levy, I'd recommend that as a fun starting point! On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:40 PM,

Gov. & the machine(s) we love

2015-10-30 Thread Murray McCullough
What is the role played by the U.S. gov. in helping to create the microcomputer? What money & expertise did it provide? “Steve Jobs the Movie” doesn’t mention this nor have books written about him and microcomputers in general mentioned this. Not even mine! Do the computers we love owe more to go