Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-14 Thread Mike
On Dec 13, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> > So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did >> > the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the >> > data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English? >> You COULD read the ho

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-14 Thread Charlie Carothers
On 12/13/2015 2:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I've heard from a couple of CEs that the loathing for the 557 was legend. Legend has it that someone once turned in a suggestion form at IBM saying that the Cardatype(sp?) plant should be bombed with 557s. :-) Charlie C. And while you were there w

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-13 Thread Chuck Guzis
I'll add that very few (if any) high-speed card punches interpreted (i.e. printed the characters corresponding to the punches) their output. Many punches could offset (displace slightly from the stack) individual cards, so it was customary to punch a "lace card" so offset between punch job out

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-13 Thread Fred Cisin
> So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did > the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the > data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English? You COULD read the holes, if you really HAD to. Keypunches printed the alphanumeric

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-13 Thread Fred Cisin
For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-) On 12/12/2015 06:13 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: Are you using "interpreter" in two senses here, or just one? That is to say, I'm not sure if you're saying the "CO

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-13 Thread Mike
On 12/12/2015 11:06 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/12/2015 08:18 AM, tulsamike3...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did >> the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the >> data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/12/2015 06:13 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card content on the card. [snip] For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", just to prove that a COBOL int

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: > For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", > just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-) > > notice the "emoticon" at the end of my original post. I was trying to > convey knowledge of the misinterpretatio

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Dec-12, at 4:15 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Robert Rissell wrote: >> The batch job consisted of a Batch Number for accounting, the keyword-coded >> header card(s) to tell the computer what to do with the following cards >> such as Compile, Link, Execute then Outpu

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Fred Cisin
For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-) notice the "emoticon" at the end of my original post. I was trying to convey knowledge of the misinterpretation, and the humor of it. On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, Charles

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Charles Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card >>> content on the card. >>> >> [snip] >> >>> For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", >>> just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possib

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Fred Cisin
you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card content on the card. [snip] For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-) On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, Eric Christopherson wrote: Are you using "i

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Robert Rissell wrote: > The batch job consisted of a Batch Number for accounting, the keyword-coded > header card(s) to tell the computer what to do with the following cards > such as Compile, Link, Execute then Output for a Fortran source. [snip] > Following the source you wo

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: > you could feed the cards through an INTERPRETER, which printed the card > content on the card. [snip] > For many years, I kept around a plug-board labelled "COBOL INTERPRETER", > just to prove that a COBOL interpreter was possible :-) Are you using "interp

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, tulsamike3...@gmail.com wrote: So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English? Yes. If you dealt with the cards l

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/12/2015 08:18 AM, tulsamike3...@gmail.com wrote: So did you have to learn how to read the punch hole cards also or did the punch hole cards go into the computer and than printed out the data on the fan fold paper also was it in code or just plane English? You COULD read the holes, if you

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Robert Rissell
Mike, One of the key manners of getting information processed was batch jobs run by the computer staff.You never see the computer at all. Individual programs (usually one at a time - using the whole machine for one program) were loaded, pointed at input files, run and then unloaded with the o

Re: Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread tulsamike3...@gmail.com
> On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Nico de Jong wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING > >> The one question I do have for the old

Display-less computing was Re: TOP POSTING

2015-12-12 Thread Nico de Jong
- Original Message - From: "Mike" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: TOP POSTING > The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the > world did the computers without a scr