On 26 September 2016 at 17:55, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> As far as I can tell, about the only Polish contribution to Setun
Ah, sorry. I think I was confusing 2 different machines. Possibly the
one I was thinking about was Elwro's UMC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMC_(computer)
--
Liam Proven • P
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 04:06:39PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 16 September 2016 at 14:51, David Bridgham wrote:
> > On 9/15/16 23:13, ben wrote:
> >
> >> PS: Ternary arithmetic I can understand, but Ternary Logic needs Mr
> >> Spock to figure out.
> >
> > Ternery logic would seem to be useful
On 16 September 2016 at 14:51, David Bridgham wrote:
> On 9/15/16 23:13, ben wrote:
>
>> PS: Ternary arithmetic I can understand, but Ternary Logic needs Mr
>> Spock to figure out.
>
> Ternery logic would seem to be useful for implementing an asynchronous
> design instead of, say, dual rail encodi
>> To name three real uses I've made of [telnet] recently: [...]
> You might find netcat useful. Not sure if/which distribution has it
> by default.
"Distribution"? Are you assuming I run Linux? (I don't, not on my own
machines. The Pi 3 was for work.)
I have a netcat, one of my own writing.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 02:13:33PM -0400, Mouse wrote:
>
> To name three real uses I've made of it recently: to check what a
> remote sshd banners as, to check what an RFB server banners as, and (in
> conjunction with script(1) to capture the output of a one-off server
> set up to transfer a text
On 9/16/2016 7:45 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
My point being that it's a slippery concept that can mean a lot of
different things, depending upon who's doing the calling.
And Anything if you are with Marketing..
--Chuck
Ben.
On 09/17/2016 01:11 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> One other example of a machine that confuses the picture is the CDC
> 6000 series peripheral processor. I doubt there would be much
> objection to calling that a 12 bit architecture. But its main
> register (the accumulator) is 18 bits wide.
And, i
Op 17 sep. 2016 8:34 p.m. schreef "Guy Sotomayor Jr" :
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> >
> > On 09/17/2016 09:23 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know what the width of the TMS9900 ALU is, but I'm pretty
> >> sure it's not bit-serial, as an add instruction only tak
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
>
> ...
> Since I have a running PDP-8/S as an example, I want to back up what Guy
> has said.
>
> The User Manual for the PDP-8/S says: "The PDP-8/S is a one-address,
> fixed word length, serial computer using a word length of 12-bits plus
> p
> From: Guy Sotomayor Jr
> Why? What does the width of the ALU have to do with the "bitness" of
> the architecture? If the programmer's view is 8-bits .., what does it
> matter (other than performance) what the width of the internal data
> paths or ALU are?
> It's interesti
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:38:13 -0700
Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
> > On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> >
> > On 09/17/2016 09:23 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know what the width of the TMS9900 ALU is, but I'm pretty
> >> sure it's not bit-serial, as an add instruction on
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 09/17/2016 09:23 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
>
>> I don't know what the width of the TMS9900 ALU is, but I'm pretty
>> sure it's not bit-serial, as an add instruction only takes 14 clock
>> cycles, including four memory cycles. I'd be very sur
On 09/17/2016 09:23 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> I don't know what the width of the TMS9900 ALU is, but I'm pretty
> sure it's not bit-serial, as an add instruction only takes 14 clock
> cycles, including four memory cycles. I'd be very surprised if the
> ALU isn't either 8 or 16 bits, though 4 might b
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> The TMS9900 has already been identified as a 16-bit ISA, even with its
> bit-serial ALU.
I don't know what the width of the TMS9900 ALU is, but I'm pretty sure
it's not bit-serial, as an add instruction only takes 14 clock cycles,
including fo
On 09/16/2016 07:33 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>> The PB250 is serial throughout--the registers are implemented as 1
>> bit recirculating devices that are 22 bits in length. Memory is
>> addressable in 22 bit words (no shorter unit of addressing is
>> present) and is again, loops of recirculating
> > I don't think this follows. Looking at the TMS 9900 datasheet, the
> > block diagram shows a full 16 bits on each ALU input and 16 bits
> > leaving it. There's no 1-bit bus directly to memory.
>
> So the "bitedness" is determined by the memory bus? e.g., a 68008 is an
> 8-bit MPU?
I'm not su
On 09/16/2016 05:37 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> I don't think this follows. Looking at the TMS 9900 datasheet, the
> block diagram shows a full 16 bits on each ALU input and 16 bits
> leaving it. There's no 1-bit bus directly to memory.
>
So the "bitedness" is determined by the memory bus? e.g
> The TMS9900 has already been identified as a 16-bit ISA, even with its
> bit-serial ALU.
>
> So some enterprising soul could device a shift-register-based MPU with
> 1-bit memory bus, but with a 256 bit word size and it would be a 256 bit
> ISA?
I don't think this follows. Looking at the TMS 99
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 09/16/2016 03:20 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
>
>> Note that in the conclusion to this 1979 article, the Motorola
>> engineers say "It is a 32-bit architecture that supports many data
>> types and data addresses."
>
The important part
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Antonio Carlini wrote:
>
>> ...
> I've never encountered anyone claiming that a 10Mb/s network means anything
> other than ten million bits per second.
I once worked for a company that said Ethernet switch ports were 20 Mb/s
because they are 10 Mb/s each way.
B
On 09/16/2016 03:20 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
> Note that in the conclusion to this 1979 article, the Motorola
> engineers say "It is a 32-bit architecture that supports many data
> types and data addresses."
Unfortunately, that doesn't clear the picture any.
What would you call a Packard-B
I wrote:
> The 68000 has three separate 16 bit ALUs: one for DataLow, one for
> AddressLow and another for AdressHigh. DataHigh can be processed by
> either the first or the second one. The first one implements all
> operations while the other two only do add/subtract and some limited
> shifting.
>
The 68000 has three separate 16 bit ALUs: one for DataLow, one for
AddressLow and another for AdressHigh. DataHigh can be processed by
either the first or the second one. The first one implements all
operations while the other two only do add/subtract and some limited
shifting.
See figure 8 of:
ht
On 16/09/16 12:19, Peter Corlett wrote:
It seems that as soon as one is measuring something that is related to
computers, some people think that centuries of convention and
standards should be ignored and SI multipliers now mean powers of
1024, even when measuring a quantity that is not natural
On 2016-09-16 2:32 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote:
Op 15 sep. 2016 11:57 p.m. schreef "Toby Thain" :
On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Chuck Guzis
> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I
Op 15 sep. 2016 11:57 p.m. schreef "Toby Thain" :
>
> On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>
>> > From: Chuck Guzis
>>
>> > Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
>>
>> The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt
>> whatsover (having
On 09/15/2016 11:18 PM, ben wrote:
> On 9/15/2016 6:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> So what's the width of an IBM 1620?
>
> I don't expect to fit in a standard rack... runs.
> Ben.
> PS: I think it is 12 bits, to offset the slow core speed
> if I am thinking of the right machine.
Nope, that can't b
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:13:18AM -0600, ben wrote:
[...]
> PS: Ternary arithmetic I can understand, but Ternary Logic needs Mr Spock to
> figure out.
You'd first have to get everybody to agree on what ternary logic is. Ask three
experts, and you'll get four answers. Mercifully, most computer peo
On 9/15/16 23:13, ben wrote:
> PS: Ternary arithmetic I can understand, but Ternary Logic needs Mr
> Spock to figure out.
Ternery logic would seem to be useful for implementing an asynchronous
design instead of, say, dual rail encoding.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 08:34:38PM -0500, Kyle Owen wrote:
[...]
> How about 65k of RAM?!
> http://tr3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2011/04/06/5174da48-c3aa-11e2-bc00-02911874f8c8/2e9edc467174c362dd543d51b886196a/02-IMSAI_1977.jpg
> That's like...a whole 1k more than the competition!
And underselling it,
On 9/15/2016 6:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/15/2016 05:17 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
Also, Apple Computer referred to it as a 32 bit microprocessor in
their early Macintosh ads. I always just considered it a 32 bit CPU
with a 16 bit external bus.
So what's the width of an IBM 1620?
--C
On 9/15/2016 1:34 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/15/2016 11:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis
Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no
doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for
> Why not have two concepts? They're free. Gordon Bell probably laid this
> out somewhere. Or Blaauw and Brooks.
In a talk on the HP9810 desktop calculator I said, somewhat tongue-in-cheek
that it could claim to be 1, 3, 4, 6, 8 or 16 bits.
The justifications for those are as follows : The proce
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Cameron Kaiser
wrote:
> > Also, Apple Computer referred to [the 68000] as a 32 bit microprocessor
> in
> > their early Macintosh ads.
>
> And Apple *never* oversells *anything.* ;)
>
How about 65k of RAM?!
http://tr3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2011/04/06/5174da48-c3aa
> Few, if any processors could be unambiguously classified.
Some can. The TMS 9900 is indisputably 16-bit; it even has 16-bit memory
addressing, in addition to 16-bit registers, a 16-bit ALU and 16-bit
internal datapaths. For that matter, the CRU is 16-bit, too.
The PDP-8 and Intersil 6100 had 12
> Also, Apple Computer referred to [the 68000] as a 32 bit microprocessor in
> their early Macintosh ads.
And Apple *never* oversells *anything.* ;)
--
personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...
On 09/15/2016 05:17 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> Also, Apple Computer referred to it as a 32 bit microprocessor in
> their early Macintosh ads. I always just considered it a 32 bit CPU
> with a 16 bit external bus.
So what's the width of an IBM 1620?
--Chuck
On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Chuck Guzis
> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt
whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K family)
that the _architec
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
>
> On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>> From: Chuck Guzis
>>
>>> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
>>
>> The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt
>> whatsover (having
On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Chuck Guzis
> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt
whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K family)
that the _architec
family) that the _architecture_ was 32-bit:
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Hence my comment. It's a matter of what to believe--Motorola or your
lyin' eyes. :)
Ah, but can the manufacturer be trusted?
What would motivate them to take a 32 bit processor and CALL it 16 bit?
Was that a
On 15/09/2016 20:34, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/15/2016 11:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis
Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no
doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for t
On 09/15/2016 11:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> From: Chuck Guzis
>
>> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
>
> The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no
> doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K
> family) that the _archi
> From: Chuck Guzis
> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it.
The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt
whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K family)
that the _architecture_ was 32-bit:
- 32-bit registers
- many
:11 AM
Subject: Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...
On 09/15/2016 11:03 AM, Peter Corlett wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:40:56PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote:
>> No, the 68000 was a 32-bit CPU, as defined by the register width
>> and programming model. The
On 09/15/2016 11:03 AM, Peter Corlett wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:40:56PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote:
>> No, the 68000 was a 32-bit CPU, as defined by the register width
>> and programming model. The fact that it was implemented with a
>> 16-bit ALU and had a 16-bit data path to memory is i
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:40:56PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Peter Corlett wrote:
[...]
>> The 68020 onwards made the CPU fully 32 bit, although various bits of legacy
>> 16 bit cruft remained for compatibility.
> No, the 68000 was a 32-bit CPU, as defined by the re
> So unless there was only a single *nix machine on campus there would
> be NFS.
When I was a University of California student, the news spool and
(depending on the system) the mail spool were both NFS mounts on the
system I used -- sdcc12 and sdcc13/17, respectively, for any other
UCSD students w
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote:
If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you
wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was
Old Subject)" to reflect its origin.
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been t
On 14 September 2016 at 19:12, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> Cool. I was a big fan of running Netware over Token Ring. But remember
> eventually
> just getting crushed by cheap and easier to install ethernet. One of my
> main clients at
> the time was on 4mb Token, and we were asked for a proposa
On 14 September 2016 at 18:15, tony duell wrote:
>> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw)
>> > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw)
>>
>> Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports...
>
> Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so they
> tried to flog them
On 15 September 2016 at 01:28, Rich Alderson
wrote:
> Any decent newsreader or threading mail
> reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken.
Would that this were true.
Of course, many would say that Gmail is not a decent MUA; however,
it's the best for my needs these days. Eve
On 15 September 2016 at 11:43, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen wrote:
>> A bit like not noticing
>> that the USB stick runs Linux.. which happens.
>
> Er. Explain? How can a dumb storage device run any OS?
>
> I have various bootable USB sticks around the place, a
On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen wrote:
> I still find it very strange.
Yes, that was the point of my post!
> So unless there was only a single *nix machine
Virtually every *nix deployment I have ever worked upon, yes, the was
one, single *nix machine in the site/building/company.
Bet
On 14 September 2016 at 16:51, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen wrote:
>> On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>>> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use.
>>
>> A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System?
>
Re: Tacky Ring (what we used to call it) vs Enet. IIRC one of the issues
going forward with TR was that it was mostly an IBM design (patented?) and
the prices of TR chips available to card manufacturers was pretty high.
This was around 1988. I think that the reason for the high cost was that
ther
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> Not the standard, but a convention.
>
> The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to
> RFC822).
I think you may mean RFC 5322 section 3.6.5, which does give a "MAY"
suggestion for the use of "Re: " at the start
Banyan Vines - did LOTS of Banyan stuff from the military. Thousands of end
users. Great stuff, but Banyan had no more product marketing skills than IBM
did with OS/2. The Banyan NOS stuff ran on top of a SysV Release III Unix if I
remember correctly. Its been a while.
ARCnet - saw some of
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
characters "was: " prepended.
Not the standard, but a convention.
The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to
RFC822).
Rich Alderson wrote:
> Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
> change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
> characters "was: " prepended. Any decent newsreader or threading mail
> reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is
From: Dale H. Cook
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:52 AM
> Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of
> this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS
> 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subj
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
And Fedora (also in RH family). Not having telnet never bothered me
because "yum install telnet" (now "dnf install telnet") is obvious
enough, but for netstat, ifconfig, and route, y
Earliest networking? Not telco lines, but hardwired stuff.
I recall that in 1974/75 I was making one of my trips to Control Data
Arden Hills and noticed a backhoe at work digging a trench around the
employee's parking lot in back of the main building.
I asked what was going on and was told that
On 09/14/2016 09:24 AM, Tapley, Mark wrote:
> (circling back a bit) Al recommended Fetch; I concur. It was my
> long-term favorite, from MacOS 6.0.8 or earlier onward. Apparently,
> it is still available from the author:
Thanks, Mark. I also seem to remember reading about "Transmit":
https://do
On 9/14/2016 11:04 AM, william degnan
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region,
USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare:
* Banyan VINES(never saw)
* Corvus (saw on
At 11:56 AM 9/14/2016, js wrote:
>On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Folks -
Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of this
thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS
Orchid PC-Net
Tallgrass
Chuck,
(circling back a bit) Al recommended Fetch; I concur. It was my
long-term favorite, from MacOS 6.0.8 or earlier onward.
Apparently, it is still available from the author:
https://fetchsoftworks.com/
But licenses are now $29. It is still possible according to the we
> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw)
> > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw)
>
> Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports...
Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so they
tried to flog them to us :-)
> I never saw CP/M networked in my life.
I'v
On 14 September 2016 at 17:56, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region,
> USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare:
>
> * Banyan VINES(never saw)
> * Corvus (saw once)
> * ARCnet (saw many times)
I hone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
>
>
>
> I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region,
> USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare:
>
> * Banyan VINES(never saw)
> * Corvus (saw once)
> * ARCnet (saw many time
On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote:
There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan? They date
from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an ARCnet facility for PCs in 1984.
Quite a few vendors had 802.3 capability. Ne
On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen wrote:
> On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use.
>
> A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System?
>
> Used, for example, everywhere where Sun boxes were inst
On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote:
> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use.
A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System?
Used, for example, everywhere where Sun boxes were installed, for our
(European) company that would be from around 1
On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> CP/Net. I don't know if Novell ever deployed their RS-422 networking
> with CP/M-86 however.
>
> There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan?
> They date from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an ARCnet facility for
> PC
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:40:40AM +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
> Stupid question: it's not called ``perl5'' or something now, as Perl 6
> is *finally* out?
About a zillion lines of software expect it to be called "perl".
And perl6 has been imminent for ... some time. FreeBSD shows 5394 ports
liste
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:48:00AM +0200, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare)
wrote:
> I dislike very much the removal of perl from the default install.
Yeah, well ... about that :-(
I understand the reasoning behind it. At one time FreeBSD had perl in
the base. The problem was the support cycle
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 09:29:30AM +0200, Peter Corlett wrote:
> Never mind that trying to get their alleged "support" to actually fix
> anything is like pissing into the wind.
As opposed to major vendors such as Microsoft and Oracle? ;-)
mcl
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:44:39PM -0500, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
[...]
> Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure?
No, they're "legacy", i.e. do not support DeadRat's aims of creating an
inscrutable proprietary platform where one is more or less compelled to buy a
support contract t
On 09/13/2016 04:45 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> Did CP/M-86 have networking? I remember it being an expensive, fiddly
> add-on for CDOS years later, and not very flexible then. I don't think
> the UCSD p-System networked at all, and DOS didn't for a long time.
> Only after the advent of WfWg did MS o
- Original Message -
From: "Al Kossow"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Terminal ROMs/kbds (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS
7.5 still in production use...))
>
>
> On 9/13/16 4:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>
>> How a
On 13 September 2016 at 20:58, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/13/2016 11:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> OK, but are we talking MacOS or Mac OS X here?
>
> As I said, Mac OS 9.2. I'm not interested for my G3 to talk to other
> Macs--the only other one here is a Performa 6100 running OS 7.mumble.
Ah,
On 14 September 2016 at 00:48, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare)
wrote:
> I dislike very much the removal of perl from the default install.
I didn't know about that. It does surprise me.
Stupid question: it's not called ``perl5'' or something now, as Perl 6
is *finally* out?
> The rather temper
On 9/13/16 4:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> How about Falco? I've got four or five different models/versions here; do you
> want me to dump the ROMs? Doesn't seem to be much interest in Falcos but I
> guess I really should scan the docs one day anyway..
>
> They also used 4-conductor (straight-th
- Original Message -
From: "Al Kossow"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production
use...)
>
>
> On 9/13/16 9:25 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
>> If you are not opposed to makin
On 09/13/2016 03:13 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> Like you said, a lot of sunk costs for very few sales.
Around 1984, we leased a VAX 11/750 running BSD with the understanding
from the lessor that the desired configuration was to support HASP via a
Bell 209 modem and leased-line.
We got the leased line
tis 2016-09-13 klockan 10:43 -0700 skrev Chuck Guzis:
>
> Heh, the first message that I got after I changed the PRAM battery and
> booted MacOS was that the system time didn't match the NTP time within
> reasonable limits. But there the oddity hit--if I wanted to get rid of
> the message, I had
tis 2016-09-13 klockan 19:31 +0200 skrev Liam Proven:
> On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
> > See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
>
> My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me
> fired from Red Hat.
>
> Nonetheless, their willingness
On 9/13/16 3:08 PM, jim stephens wrote:
> There is also the LU stuff that went on on SNA, which is a big steaming pile,
> and very few ever got that to work other
> than IBM.
I worked with the guy who did the Nubus token ring card. He originally used the
TI chip set, then had to switch to IB
On 9/13/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/13/2016 01:05 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s,
along with the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECnet
package. And MacTCP was available early on, too.
Does bisync and HASP
There were nubus IRMA cards for 3270 fans
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290443334905
and the Apple Cluster Controller
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/brochures/Apple_Cluster_Controller_and_Appleline_Sales_Reference_Guide_Jul84.pdf
I'm sure these were checkbox items.
There was a push in the late 80's bu
On 09/13/2016 01:05 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
> Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s,
> along with the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECnet
> package. And MacTCP was available early on, too.
Does bisync and HASP, does it?
--Chuck
On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 09/13/2016 12:15 PM, Brendan Shanks wrote:
>
>> There was SNAps:
>
> And it only took them until 1993!
Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s, along with
the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECne
Boy are you going to get a shock when you start using containers for
deployment.
--Toby
(who doesn't understand why it's such a big deal to install 1 package
for telnet client)
I get that none of thius applies to modern devops, but sometimes crap
goes wrong, or you're working on a host (
On 09/13/2016 12:15 PM, Brendan Shanks wrote:
> There was SNAps:
>
> http://imap.parismoveis.com/index.pl/S0/http/www.thefreelibrary.com/APPLE+SHIPS+SNA.PS+5250+TERMINAL+EMULATOR+FOR+IBM+AS=252F400+SYSTEMS-a013177363
>
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=aRQEMBAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=apple
On 9/13/2016 10:00 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/13/16 9:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
csh
though in the modern world I can see why clear text protocols
aren't shipped out of the box
They can be added, and it was only after quite a long ti
On 2016-09-13 1:44 PM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
On 9/13/16 12:31 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc.
My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me
fired from Red Hat.
Nonetheles
I am well aware.. However not everything has netcat. But many things
have a simple telnet client.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Sean Conner wrote:
> It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated:
>> Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response.
>> Do i
On 2016-09-13 12:25 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:16, Al Kossow wrote:
Unfortunately, the guys building new Cherry keyboards fabricate new keytops for
Windows extended keyboards, and not ASCII (ie. VT-100 style) or ANSI (VT-220
style)
so unless you want to spring the cash t
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> But isn't that typical of the Apple Way? Right from the start, there
> were tools and hardware for the 5150 to talk to the rest of the world.
> Apple just kept to their own little community--or did I miss the
> announcement of SDLC/SNA supp
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