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> -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson via cctalk > Sent: 14 September 2024 01:32 > To: Paul Koning via cctalk > Cc: Jon Elson > Subject: [cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes > > On 9/13/24 12:38, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > It's curious

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d by volunteers happy to answer questions. -mike -Original Message- From: David C. Jenner via cctalk Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2024 10:23 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Cc: David C. Jenner Subject: [cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes Yes, LCM had j

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2024 7:43 PM To: David C. Jenner Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ; Fred Cisin Subject: [cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes And perhaps craziest of all, $189k for a 360/91 console display. Just the lights panel, nothing more. Well, that might be all thatth

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On 9/13/24 22:21, Mark Huffstutter via cctalk wrote: I think David meant He saw them working on refurbishing the panel itself. LCM Staff designed and Built the circuitry to generate the pseudo blinkenlights effect, along with converting to LEDs. As I recall, the Panel was the only thing

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. Jenner Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ; Fred Cisin Subject: [cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes >>> And perhaps craziest of all, $189k for a 360/91 console display.  >>> Just the lights panel, nothing more. >> Well, that might be all tha

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And perhaps craziest of all, $189k for a 360/91 console display.  Just the lights panel, nothing more. Well, that might be all thatthe interior decorators wanted, for hanging on the wall On Fri, 13 Sep 2024, David C. Jenner wrote: This was from the 360/91 at UCLA when I was there in the 1970s.

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This was from the 360/91 at UCLA when I was there in the 1970s. I recall seeing them working on refurbishing it when I was last at the LCM a few years ago. On 9/10/24 4:50 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning wrote: And perhaps craziest of all, $189k for a 360/91

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On 9/13/24 12:38, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: It's curious that the ASR33 went for $24k while the ASR35 "only" fetched $3k. The 35 is less common as well as far more reliable (and heavier). Yes, I spotted that too!  I think the 35 is also quieter than a 33.  The 33 is supposed to survive f

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could be 2 people having a pising contest that have money or did it belong to paul allen or somthing silly On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 12:39 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > It's curious that the ASR33 went for $24k while the ASR35 "only" fetched > $3k. The 35 is less comm

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It's curious that the ASR33 went for $24k while the ASR35 "only" fetched $3k. The 35 is less common as well as far more reliable (and heavier). paul

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The closest that you can get is records of the serial number. And statements of experts. A signed statement by Abby Sciuto On Fri, 13 Sep 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I get a real laugh every time I see statements like this. Back when I was still in the military (around 2005) I had t

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time flys still cool stumbling into one as not allot of the soviet stuff gets seen in NA or in general On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 10:17 AM cctalk--- via cctalk wrote: > Sorry, my old brain has not retained that information. >

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Sorry, my old brain has not retained that information.

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> On Sep 13, 2024, at 12:50 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk > wrote: > > was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or something?? and > that the rest got bought by another museum > https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-computers-artifacts-and-systems

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u had one of the nixie tube displays for the evm tape drives? did u get that off that ukrainian fellow? ive got the m4030 panels he had On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 8:29 AM cctalk--- via cctalk wrote: > If anyone is curious as to what the CMoA got from me. > > http://www.myimagecollection.com/cmoa/ >

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"Charity" for this group is an interesting concept. Check into what kinds of "charities" get money from these foundations. That said, oh well. Lessons learned all around from this, least of all that any of us with a hoard is now RICH RICH RICH WOOHOO!!! C On 9/13/2024 12:50 AM, Adrian St

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On 13/09/2024 05:50, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or something?? and that the rest got bought by another museum https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-computers-artifacts-and-systems-to-museum-near-atlanta/?

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On 9/12/2024 10:44 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Yes, but a Christies certificate of authentication is a gold standard. Only that you got it from Christies. bill

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On 9/12/2024 9:31 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. Paul Allen's [item name] will always sell for more that Joe Schmo's [item name].  Buyer can

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I have a dozen of them in my storage unit. Time to buy that Lamborghini ;) On 12.09.2024 18:13, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33?

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If anyone is curious as to what the CMoA got from me. http://www.myimagecollection.com/cmoa/

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When I left CA for NV in 2019 I sold the bulk of my IBM related stuff to the CMoA. It was a heavy Apple place at the time. My stuff moved Lonnie into the IBM world. The stuff filled the floor of a 26 ft truck. He paid for shipping. I then put together a half pallet of stragglers that he arrange

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Wondering, what will happen with the XDS Sigma 9 and the DECsystem 2020 with their disk drives...  To my little understanding, the CDC 9766 of the Sigma and the CDC disk pack drives of the Sigma were the only large disk pack drives known to be operationable. I am truly curious if they will be ev

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Mark -Original Message- From: Adrian Stoness via cctalk Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 9:50 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Cc: Adrian Stoness Subject: [cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or somet

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On Fri, 13 Sept 2024 at 00:59, Adrian Stoness via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or something?? and > that the rest got bought by another museum > > https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-computers-arti

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was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or something?? and that the rest got bought by another museum https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-computers-artifacts-and-systems-to-museum-near-atlanta/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFQd4pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZ4m-gu6GjWv35Z7DYz

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This lot-group is closed. Sale prices were insane. Well, to be honest 13k for a KS10 plus a TU78 (interesting, forgot they had 18 bit fiddlers) and an RM05 isn't too bad. $100k for a KA is a bit nuts, and 200k for a KI is like well ok But a KS is actually useful. As for the rest. All

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the what? meaning the rich people blowing money price? On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 10:44 PM Adrian Stoness wrote: > the > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:54 PM Brent Hilpert via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> On 2024Sep 12,, at 7:24 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk >> wrote: >> > >> > On Thu,

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the On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:54 PM Brent Hilpert via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2024Sep 12,, at 7:24 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 6:13 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33

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On 9/12/2024 7:24 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 6:13 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33? Price Realised USD 23,940 Does that include the 26% buyer's premium, or is that another $6,224 for a total of $30,164

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Yes, but a Christies certificate of authentication is a gold standard. On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:39 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices > vs > >> apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. > >>

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On 2024Sep 12,, at 7:24 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 6:13 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33? > > Price Realised USD 23,940 > > Does that include the 26% buyer's premium, or is that another $6,224

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 6:13 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33? Price Realised USD 23,940 Does that include the 26% buyer's premium, or is that another $6,224 for a total of $30,164 for the ASR33? https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/

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I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. Paul Allen's [item name] will always sell for more that Joe Schmo's [item name]. Buyer can forever say this was Paul Allen's [item name]. The provid

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Available at the curb in front of my house for free, with spare ribbons and balls... On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:19 PM cctalk--- via cctalk wrote: > Saw a pair of Selectric typewriters went for $8k. Available on eBay for > 200-400. >

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On 9/12/2024 9:01 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. Paul Allen's [item name] will always sell for more that Joe Schmo's [item name]. Buyer can fo

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WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33? On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 8:03 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Oops phone autocorrect..provenance is the correct term. > B > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 9:01 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > > > I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile a

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On 9/12/2024 8:29 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: This lot-group is closed. Sale prices were insane. https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/lots/3726

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Saw a pair of Selectric typewriters went for $8k. Available on eBay for 200-400.

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Oops phone autocorrect..provenance is the correct term. B On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 9:01 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs > apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. > Paul Allen's [item name] will alway

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I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. Paul Allen's [item name] will always sell for more that Joe Schmo's [item name]. Buyer can forever say this was Paul Allen's [item name]. The provide

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This lot-group is closed. Sale prices were insane. https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/lots/3726 (In my estimation) a few items went for high

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 05:28:35PM -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Sep 10, 2024, at 4:31 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > >> Wow, someone paid $56k for a MITS ALTAIR. And $945k for an Apple 1. Not > >> to mention

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On 2024-09-11 2:18 p.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 11:49 AM ben via cctalk wrote: Now even a TTL version. https://hackaday.io/project/190345-isetta-ttl-computer/log/232670progress-of-new-pcb That link is bad. It is not good. The link worked fine before the

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Links fine, just needs a slash / before progress. Nice TTL build with sound/video, VGA, PS/2 (although in this context should "sound" on the PCB be labeled "audio"? just a nitpick) Regarding cases - for the X16, they went with the ATX form factor and that's worked out for a lot of folks. The "

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 11:49 AM ben via cctalk wrote: > Now even a TTL version. > > https://hackaday.io/project/190345-isetta-ttl-computer/log/232670progress-of-new-pcb That link is bad. It is not good. It is the lack of cases that sadly are limited. People generally 3D print their own now

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On 2024-09-11 8:43 a.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: 53 On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 11:03 PM Mark Linimon wrote: Next week there will be 50 of them o. Ebay for this price. (looks around the room) Make that 52. mcl But as the ratio of buyers is a complex number. It is often in the imagi

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On 9/10/24 20:06, Christopher Zach via cctalk wrote: Interesting. I wonder how they handled the stekler boards The stecker (plugboard) is just another rotor that never moves, so is much easier to deal with. If you have the codebooks, you also know the stecker plug setting, but without the bo

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53 On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 11:03 PM Mark Linimon wrote: > > Next week there will be 50 of them o. Ebay for this price. > > (looks around the room) > > Make that 52. > > mcl >

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> Next week there will be 50 of them o. Ebay for this price. (looks around the room) Make that 52. mcl

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Interesting. I wonder how they handled the stekler boards Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:53 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > "bought by Christies" might mean that individual employees, or corporate, > might offer a paid "proxy bidding" service?

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Here's a fun telling of the story ==> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iipsxj3hRpE Sellam On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 5:31 PM Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > Yes. Operation Mincemeat. Released in 2021. > Operation Mincemeat > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 10, 2024, at 17:10, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 4:41 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The buyers might be paying a premium because the items came from "the > collection of Paul Allen", and because of the way Christie's described the > lots, they may have come off with the impression that he pe

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Yes. Operation Mincemeat. Released in 2021. Operation Mincemeat Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2024, at 17:10, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: The original movie was called 'The Man Who Never Was' https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049471/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 So they made another new version?

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The original movie was called 'The Man Who Never Was' https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049471/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 So they made another new version? On 2024-09-10 19:56, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:41 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: ... Another big crack was an Irish navy o

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"bought by Christies" might mean that individual employees, or corporate, might offer a paid "proxy bidding" service? On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: The terms of sale indicate that Christie's employees are allowed to participate for themselves and if so are identified as s

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The terms of sale indicate that Christie's employees are allowed to participate for themselves and if so are identified as such, but they get no special consideration if they do. paul > On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > "bought by Christies" might mean t

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> On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:41 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > Another big crack was an Irish navy officer had been killed, and with his > family's permission, papers with disinformation on the D-day attack were put > in his pockets. Tunny intercepts later showed the Germans were m

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"bought by Christies" might mean that individual employees, or corporate, might offer a paid "proxy bidding" service?

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning wrote: And perhaps craziest of all, $189k for a 360/91 console display. Just the lights panel, nothing more. Well, that might be all thatthe interior decorators wanted, for hanging on the wall

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On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 19:43, Henry Bent wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 19:38, Paul Koning wrote: > >> >> >> > On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Henry Bent via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> > >> > On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 18:54, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < >> > cctalk@classiccmp.o

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On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 19:38, Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Henry Bent via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 18:54, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> Hmm, I have a DEC PDP11 BA23 box that was

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On 9/10/24 17:37, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Any special provenance? (Hitler's personal Enigma?, BillG's' Altair?, Steve's Apple?) Nope. But the Enigma is a four-rotor Navy model, not the more common 3-rotor one. I didn't know that

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> On Sep 10, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Henry Bent via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 18:54, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Hmm, I have a DEC PDP11 BA23 box that was once owned by the guy that >> forced Lech Walesa into a second runoff election for Pr

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On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 18:54, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hmm, I have a DEC PDP11 BA23 box that was once owned by the guy that > forced Lech Walesa into a second runoff election for President of Poland > in 1990. > > Maybe I should get Christie's to sell it for

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > Any special provenance? (Hitler's personal Enigma?, BillG's' Altair?, > > Steve's Apple?) > > Nope. But the Enigma is a four-rotor Navy model, not the more common > 3-rotor one. I didn't know that the Navy had those; I had heard of > 4-

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Hmm, I have a DEC PDP11 BA23 box that was once owned by the guy that forced Lech Walesa into a second runoff election for President of Poland in 1990. Maybe I should get Christie's to sell it for me and just use SimH :-) cheers, Nigel On 2024-09-10 18:41, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: T

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The buyers might be paying a premium because the items came from "the collection of Paul Allen", and because of the way Christie's described the lots, they may have come off with the impression that he personally restored and used all these himself. This whole thing is so stupid. Oh well, at leas

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 12:24 Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Sep 10, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > OK kids, let's save these things from the scrapyard! :-) > > > > mcl > > Wow, someone paid $56k for a MITS ALTAIR. And $945k for an

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> On Sep 10, 2024, at 4:31 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Wow, someone paid $56k for a MITS ALTAIR. And $945k for an Apple 1. Not to >> mention $718k for an Enigma machine. A bunch of things went for way above >> the estimate,

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Wow, someone paid $56k for a MITS ALTAIR. And $945k for an Apple 1. Not to mention $718k for an Enigma machine. A bunch of things went for way above the estimate, while for others it's much closer. One wonders why; I suppose a possible expl

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Hey, you can get a KI10 for <2k right now at Christie's (No, I will not bid. I will not bid because my life would be over if I won) On 9/10/2024 1:00 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Sep 10, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: OK kids, let's save these things from th

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> On Sep 10, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk > wrote: > > OK kids, let's save these things from the scrapyard! :-) > > mcl Wow, someone paid $56k for a MITS ALTAIR. And $945k for an Apple 1. Not to mention $718k for an Enigma machine. A bunch of things went for way above the

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Sadly won’t be bidding as the shipping quotes to me even for the small HP 2100S are too much. For example that HP is 5 grand sans insurance and all customs fees. Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Sep 2024, at 16:12, Mark Linimon via cctalk > wrote: > > OK kids, let's save these things from the sc