[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-03 Thread Raymond Wiker via cctalk
The 6800 had an "HCF" instruction. The 6502 had several KIL instructions that had similar behaviour. I don't think either of these made any permanent damage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(computing) https://www.pagetable.com/?p=39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_poke >

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Nope. If you believe this mythical instruction exists, you are the person that gets to spend the time digging up the references to it. I've been writing assembly on the 6502 since the early 1980s and I have never managed to damage one when my programs went off the rails, which they did on many

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/1/24 14:55, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Wikipedia lists models 60, 62, 64, and 66 (never shipped) and 65 and 67 as shipped, but no 63. since I don't remember 65s, I assume not many of them made it out the door? Uh, no.  The 360/65 was a very popular model, QUITE (4X) a step up from the

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
Wikipedia lists models 60, 62, 64, and 66 (never shipped) and 65 and 67 as shipped, but no 63. since I don't remember 65s, I assume not many of them made it out the door? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360 --Carey > On 11/01/2024 1:12 PM CDT Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > > On

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Van Snyder via cctalk
On Fri, 2024-11-01 at 11:01 -0700, David Barto via cctalk wrote: > > > The 6502 had a HCF (halt and catch fire) undocumented > > > instruction. > > > I forget the opcode and if you knew what you were doing you could > > > get the instruction executed on the chip using any assembler. Early in 196

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread David Barto via cctalk
Nope. Read the documentation for the chip. Turns out that the HCF instruction basically sent the chip into an internal loop which would render parts of it unusable after about 30-45 seconds. Tried it once and the chip got hot. Very very hot and then just stopped working. David > On Nov

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
David Barto wrote: > > The 6502 had a HCF (halt and catch fire) undocumented instruction. > I forget the opcode and if you knew what you were doing you could get the > instruction executed on the chip using any assembler. > > Security through obscurity back in the 70s. > The chip was advanced

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread donald donaldwhittemore.com via cctalk
Glad I never tried it. 😊

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread David Barto via cctalk
The 6502 had a HCF (halt and catch fire) undocumented instruction. I forget the opcode and if you knew what you were doing you could get the instruction executed on the chip using any assembler. Security through obscurity back in the 70s. The chip was advanced enough that the DOD wanted to avo

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 10/31/24 19:02, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 10/31/24 09:35, Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 40 if we ran a program that did an Assembler instruction, B *    For

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
remember, core memory is destructive read out. to read the bits you erase them and have to rewrite them. I doubt the B * running for 30 seconds, then cancel the job would be bad, but if you started it up Friday and it ran all weekend? every time you demagnetize and re-magnetize those cores, p

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/31/24 09:35, Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 40 if we ran a program that did an Assembler instruction, B *For those non-Assembler people that is an instruction

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Gavin Scott via cctalk
On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 9:35 AM Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: > If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that > physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 40 if we ran a program that > did an Assembler instruction, B *For those non-Assembler people that

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/31/24 10:39, Paul Koning wrote: > I could imagine it in PPs, also in 6400 machines since they don't have an > "instruction stack" so instruction fetches would go to memory. For all of > those you'd end up hammmering a single memory cell at high speed, and each > time you do that you get

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Jeff Woolsey via cctalk
On 10/31/24 10:39 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Oct 31, 2024, at 11:41 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/31/24 07:35, Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 4

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 31, 2024, at 11:41 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/31/24 07:35, Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: >> If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that >> physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 40 if we ran a program that >> did an Ass

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-10-31 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/31/24 07:35, Donald Whittemore via cctalk wrote: > If I remember right I was told back in the early 70s by our IBM CE that > physical damage could be done to our model 30 or 40 if we ran a program that > did an Assembler instruction, B *For those non-Assembler people that is > an instr