> On May 16, 2024, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Jordan wrote:
>
> Regarding NOS/VE and the notion that its command language was horribly
> awkward ... the command language was strongly influenced by Multics and some
> thinking in the Computer Science world about user-friendliness in command
> language
Regarding NOS/VE and the notion that its command language was horribly
awkward ... the command language was strongly influenced by Multics and
some thinking in the Computer Science world about user-friendliness in
command languages being linked to predictability. Commands in NOS/VE's SCL
(System Co
> On May 16, 2024, at 11:08 AM, Gary Grebus via cctalk
> wrote:
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> We were a beta test site for NOS/VE and the hardware (Cyber 180?). CDC sent
> the machine and a software support engineer to help us do something with it.
> My one recollection was that the command language was horribly a
We were a beta test site for NOS/VE and the hardware (Cyber 180?). CDC
sent the machine and a software support engineer to help us do something
with it. My one recollection was that the command language was horribly
awkward, but I didn't spend much time on the system.
I know there are some m
It was a loop hole in the strong typing of Pascal, not the operating system
itself. You could set up a record structure that mirrored the communications
area and then map this to location zero. This was important for Pascal since
it had no library mechanism, it was essentially a compile and g
I assume you refer to the "case ... of" construct in PASCAL record types
which allowed you to arbitrarily "cast" - to use a C term - variables to
any type you wanted and could be (ab)used to assign integers to pointers.
The ability to call PP programs via RA+1 calls was not a loop hole, but a
desi
I worked on the run time support for the early versions of Pascal on the CDC
6000 series. Depending upon the character set determining the end of line was
a major pain. There was a loop hole in the Pascal type system that allowed you
to call any PPU program directly from Pascal. It was not w
On 5/15/24 22:07, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:
> I thought the CDC CYBER and 6000 series mainframes were great systems which
> performed admirably for what they were designed for. I liked COMPASS, SYMPL
> and NOS 1 and 2. I didn't do much work in CYBIL, but it was basically an
> enhanced version of
I thought the CDC CYBER and 6000 series mainframes were great systems which
performed admirably for what they were designed for. I liked COMPASS, SYMPL
and NOS 1 and 2. I didn't do much work in CYBIL, but it was basically an
enhanced version of PASCAL suitable for operating systems work. What is
th
I came to it all a bit later. I do recall the CDC salesthing saying
something like "oh, you guys have some Unix around here? Have we got
something for you!". And the systems guys brought up NOS/VE on the last
CDC machines we ever bought.
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 10:43 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
On 5/15/24 18:47, Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote:
> Please...I'm trying very hard not to remember them (or NOS...worse, NOS/VE).
I left CDC at around the time that SCOPE 3.4 was being renamed NOS BE
and KRONOS was becoming NOS. I remember attending a design meeting for
the pager in what was to be
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:59 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> Who remembers SYMPL or CYBIL?
>
>
Please...I'm trying very hard not to remember them (or NOS...worse, NOS/VE).
KJ
Norsk Data had at least two programming languages designed in-house: NPL and
PLANC.
These had some fairly unusual features, reflecting the hardware.
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> On 10 May 2024, at 15:45, Paul Koning via cctalk
> wrote:
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> As for "language to the machine" that's pretty much unheard
On 5/10/24 16:37, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> I was told that some of the many locally applied patches were done by
> writes to array elements with negative subscripts.
>
CDC 6000 (the one with PPUs) OS (SCOPE, KRNONOS, MACE and NOS) used a
single PPU that, among other things, monitored the c
On Fri, 10 May 2024, Charles via cctalk wrote:
Regarding protections, it didn't have many. I remember spending a day
tracking down a fatal bug with a logic analyzer (emulators were still a dream
in this small company)... another programmer had used an array subscript out
of range and the compil
In the early '80's, I did some programming with Micro Concurrent Pascal,
on embedded CDP1802 systems. It was really nice to be able to program in
something other than assembly language (a cross-assembler that ran on a
PDP-11 system).
Regarding protections, it didn't have many. I remember spend
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 8:45 AM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> I suppose you could pose ESPOL as an example of a language for a machine,
ESPOL was likely a major inspiration for SPL (System Programming
Language) for the Classic stack-based HP 3000 which was used to write
the MPE operating syste
> On May 10, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 7:53 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
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>> There's a third class that I haven't (yet) mentioned. Design a machine
>> to solve a particular problem or class of problems. Saxpy was such a
>> machi
On Fri, May 10, 2024, 7:53 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> There's a third class that I haven't (yet) mentioned. Design a machine
> to solve a particular problem or class of problems. Saxpy was such a
> machine; we have bitcoin ASICs and our latest AI ventures.
>
> What was the CM-1 programm
On 5/10/24 06:44, Paul Koning wrote:
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> As for "language to the machine" that's pretty much unheard of. While there
> certainly are languages that only were seen on one or a few machines or
> architectures -- SYMPL, CYBIL, BLISS, TUTOR -- it isn't because that was the
> intent of those languag
> On May 9, 2024, at 8:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On 5/9/24 16:30, Michael Thompson wrote:
>> I have a source code tape for Pascal on a CDC 6600 from CDC in France.
>> I am not sure which version it is.
>
> Broadly speaking, there were only three major CDC versions; the 1972
On 5/9/24 16:30, Michael Thompson wrote:
> I have a source code tape for Pascal on a CDC 6600 from CDC in France.
> I am not sure which version it is.
Broadly speaking, there were only three major CDC versions; the 1972
original, the 1975 rewrite, and the (I think) 1980s version. There were
inter
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 5:10 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> > On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > One of the things that _I_ love about C is that it is easy to get it out
> of the way when you want to do something lower level.
> >
> > Rather than feeble type sys
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 6:31 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> > On May 9, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > ...
> > I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
> > it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
>
> Not surprisin
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 6:10 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
> > On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> >>> ...
> >>> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
> >>> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was
> doing.
> >
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>>> ...
>>> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
>>> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> Not surprising, sinc
...
I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
Not surprising, since that's not what it is all about. Both, like their
predecessor ALGOL-60 as well as
I have a source code tape for Pascal on a CDC 6600 from CDC in France.
I am not sure which version it is.
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 6:43 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 5/9/24 15:10, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> >>> Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West
> >>> Coa
> On May 9, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
Not surprising, since that's not what it is all about. Both, like their
predeces
On 5/9/24 15:10, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West
>>> Coast Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with
>>> "yeah, but what about C?" questions, that by the end of the first
>>> day, "Turbo C is coming soon"
>
> O
Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast
Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah,
but what about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo
C is coming soon"
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
I learned
Anyone used Oh Pascal book while working on Turbo Pascal? I coded a memory
viewer that was similar to Norton Utilities and PC Tools at the time for CP/M
on Epson QX10 using Pascal. It was somewhere between 83 and 85
Regards,
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AI Consultant, PhD
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> On May 9, 2024, at
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:38 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast
> Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah, but
> what
> about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo C is coming
> so
Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast
Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah, but what
about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo C is coming soon"
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