On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 07:51, Nemo via cctalk wrote:
>
> Would you have the citations handy? I would be interested to read that.
I thought the same thing!
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On 23/12/2019, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-12-23 at 12:00 -0600, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
>> Re: First Internet message and ...
>
> I read the caselaw in the GUI war cases of the 80's. Microsoft and
> apple were battling over feature
> Niklaus Wirth is still around
and your hero, Bucky Beaver(*) spent a year at PARC while Mesa was under
development and went to Stanford
so it didn't spring fully formed from him
* i will leave it as an excercise for the reader why he has that nickname
and where "Bucky Bits" come from
On 12/23/2019 11:11 AM, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 2019-12-23 at 12:00 -0600, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
Re: First Internet message and ...
I read the caselaw in the GUI war cases of the 80's. Microsoft and
apple were battling over features and everyone els
On Mon, 2019-12-23 at 12:00 -0600, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
> Re: First Internet message and ...
I read the caselaw in the GUI war cases of the 80's. Microsoft and
apple were battling over features and everyone else was being weighed.
There are nice comparative tables, TOS/G
tis 2019-11-26 klockan 19:16 -0800 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk:
> Good point.
>
> Some companies that COULD HAVE been the leaders made great
> inventions
> and/or engineering, and then fumbled the marketing.
>
> I'm thinking that Xerox Parc could be said to have "invented" the
> next
> generati
On 11/27/2019 11:30 AM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello all,
Commodore had the marketing part down pact. That is one of the
reasons that at the time Commodore sold more C-64s than all of the other
computers combined.
I think it was more the case of who had the better games C/64 or C
Hello all,
Commodore had the marketing part down pact. That is one of the
reasons that at the time Commodore sold more C-64s than all of the other
computers combined.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/27/2019 10:39 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 11/26/2019 08:59 PM, Chris Zach via cct
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 18:29, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On 11/27/19 7:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>
> Okay, you're right and I'm wrong. Everyone should play games on their
> 8 bit computers because they'll grow up to be real computer scientists.
Play, no.
Write, yes. Or at lea
On 11/27/19 1:00 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/26/19 10:17 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
>>> Chuck,
>>> I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
>>> MainFrames to be Personal Comp
> On Nov 27, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 11/26/19 10:17 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
>> Chuck,
>> I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
>> MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
>> a
On 11/27/19 7:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Okay, you're right and I'm wrong. Everyone should play games on their
8 bit computers because they'll grow up to be real computer scientists.
--Chuck
On 11/27/19 8:47 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> CDC may have had many more custom/one-of-a-kind machines, while IBM had
> tons of identical units in the field.
The "scorched earth" policy came right from the top- After it was
discovered that some "customer' had assembled a working system from
scavenged p
On 11/26/2019 09:26 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
No, this was the first personal computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektronix_4050#/media/File:Tektronix_4051_ad_April_1976.jpg
Oh, another one is the LINC, designed from the ground up for
personal interaction with one user.
Circa 1
On 11/26/2019 09:26 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
No, this was the first personal computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektronix_4050#/media/File:Tektronix_4051_ad_April_1976.jpg
Yes, and they were pretty cool, but try the Bendix G-15,
more than a decade earlier.
Jon
On 11/26/2019 09:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Good point.
Some companies that COULD HAVE been the leaders made great
inventions and/or engineering, and then fumbled the
marketing.
Konrad Zuse was another one, for sure. Bendix created the
first personal computer, the G-15.
Packard-Bell
On 11/26/2019 09:02 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
CDC had a scorched-earth policy when it came to leased
mainframes. I suspect that IBM did also. I witnessed CEs
taking sledgehammers and bolt cutters to several
interesting mainframes. The official directive was that
nothing was to leave th
On 11/26/2019 08:59 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
It wasn't just having the technology, it was having it and
knowing how to market it. You need both to make a good
product and DEC really was all about protecting their
current market share (which is insane as they came to be
by exploiting
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope wrote:
I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on a
120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to fit in
to the Personal Computer definit
On 11/26/19 10:17 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
> Chuck,
> I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
> MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
> a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to
> fit in to
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 15:47, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
> No, I meant "commercially viable" computers.
[1] You didn't say that, though.
[2] If it sells enough units for someone to make a living off it, that
is the _definition_ of "commercially viable".
As such, my first link qualifies. Se
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 9:09 PM, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
>
> Patents are generally used to document who invented what first. Commercial
> success building on old research and patents tends to be what is remembered.
"who invented what first" -- sort of. More precisely, who filed a patent
appli
On 11/27/19 3:52 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 04:02, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>>
>> Other than in very low-level MCUs, I don't see 8 bit micros making a
>> comeback. And 32/64 bits seems to be the rule for MCUs today.
>
> You might be surprised.
No, I meant
Rich wrote:
Chuck,
I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to
fit in to the Personal Computer definition.
GOD Bless an
At 09:05 PM 11/26/2019, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>Video Toaster, while a niche product, really showed the advantages of Amiga.
>Up until a few years ago, when the Cable TV system crashed, it would display a
>"Guru Meditation Number"!
>"But there HAS to be a Macintosh version!"
>"OK, OK." It
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 04:02, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Other than in very low-level MCUs, I don't see 8 bit micros making a
> comeback. And 32/64 bits seems to be the rule for MCUs today.
You might be surprised.
E.g.
https://rc2014.co.uk/ (selling strongly, I believe)
https://www.spe
0
> To: Chuck Guzis ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-
> Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
>
> Patents are generally used to document who invented what first. Commercial
> success building on old research and patents tends to be what is remembered.
>
&
> I wouldn't consider this a Personal Computer.
THIS THREAD NEEDS TO DIE
Chuck,
I wouldn't consider this a Personal Computer. It has some severe
limitations. There are no graphics, only one line of display, no sound,
no expandability. It is more of a front end to talk to another system.
This computer is just too limited.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/20
On 11/26/19 7:17 PM, Richard Pope wrote:
> Chuck,
> I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
> MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
> a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to
> fit in to the Personal Co
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
No, this was the first personal computer...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektronix_4050#/media/File:Tektronix_4051_ad_April_1976.jpg
No, the first personal computer was any machine, including IBM 360, if you
could get access to it after midn
/wiki/Tektronix_4050#/media/File:Tektronix_4051_ad_April_1976.jpg
From: cctalk on behalf of Mike Stein via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:15 PM
To: Fred Cisin ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: First Internet message and
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Word Perfect and the Vista series was also available for the Amiga!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
Manx ("Aztec C Compiler") and WordPervert made efforts to expand
into ALL platorms.
A couple of times, MY booth at Comdex was next to WordPervert.
: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts
Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
- Original Message -
From: "Fred Cisin via cctalk"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
&
quot;
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
The only reason Apple sold so many Apple II's was because some software
designer came out with Visicalc.
Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ("Software Arts&qu
Fred,
Agreed!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/2019 9:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Good point.
Some companies that COULD HAVE been the leaders made great inventions
and/or engineering, and then fumbled the marketing.
I'm thinking that Xerox Parc could be said to have "invented
Chuck,
I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and
MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on
a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to
fit in to the Personal Computer definition.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
- Original Message -
From: "Fred Cisin via cctalk"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
>> The only re
Good point.
Some companies that COULD HAVE been the leaders made great inventions
and/or engineering, and then fumbled the marketing.
I'm thinking that Xerox Parc could be said to have "invented" the next
generation of personal computers, but did they ever cash in on that?
I can visualize a
Fred,
I started with the VIC. I then got a C-64. From there I bought a
C-128 and then the A-1000. I migrated to a A-2000 that I then upgraded
many times. I finally got an A-4000T 040/25MHz system which I upgraded
to 50MHz and 128MB of ram. It also had 4MB of chip ram and 8MB of Fast
ram. I
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope wrote:
You are correct in your assessment. Which was first? The Altair and IMSAI
had been available for years but you almost had to be an engineer to build
them and use them. So were they first? I don't believe so because the average
idiot couldn't get them
On 11/26/19 6:49 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
> Fred,
> You are correct in your assessment. Which was first? The Altair and
> IMSAI had been available for years but you almost had to be an engineer
> to build them and use them. So were they first?
So how do you class the 1973 MCM/70? N
On 11/26/19 6:43 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> But the stange thing now, all the 8 bitters are making a come back
> like the z80 with CP/M (USA) and the 6502 with BBC Micro (UK).
> What ever happened to all the wierd early transitor computers that were
> like 48+ bits and 4K of core memory hit the s
I would make a strong argument that DEC invented the PC: Twice actually.
The PDT11/150 is a pretty amazing system: 64k of memory, serial port,
printer port, RT11 operating system and if I recall correctly someone
wrote a version of Visicalc and a nice word processor on it as a
demonstration.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
The only reason Apple sold so many Apple II's was because some software
designer came out with Visicalc.
Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ("Software Arts")
They sold it through "Personal Software", who became "VisiCorp"
http://www.bricklin.com/history/
Fred,
You are correct in your assessment. Which was first? The Altair and
IMSAI had been available for years but you almost had to be an engineer
to build them and use them. So were they first? I don't believe so
because the average idiot couldn't get them to work. They were too much
troub
On 11/26/2019 7:09 PM, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
The only reason Apple sold so many Apple II's was because some software
designer came out with Visicalc. So many machines were sold that they
ended up cheap enough and useful enough to end up in schools and homes
where before they were only sold t
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Richard Pope wrote:
Fred,
I'm not stating that IBM invented the PC. I am stating that IBM says it
invented the PC. Yeah right. I actually believe that it was Commodore that
invented the Personal Computer for they were the first company to come out
with an affordable hom
lly usable.
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:18 PM
To: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Subject: Re: First Internet message and ...
On 11/26/19 12:48 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 11/26/19 1:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I figure
Fred,
I'm not stating that IBM invented the PC. I am stating that IBM
says it invented the PC. Yeah right. I actually believe that it was
Commodore that invented the Personal Computer for they were the first
company to come out with an affordable home computer system that was
very flexible
And IBM invented the Personal Computer.
No.
We already established that Steve Jobs did that. Please pay attention.
Where do you suppose he picked up such heretical revisionist ideas?
> And IBM invented the Personal Computer.
No.
We already established that Steve Jobs did that. Please pay attention.
--
Will
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the
people involved at time cited are dead.
And Edison invented the incandescent lamp.
Light bulbs, automobiles, personal computers were all ideas that were
OBVIOUS and inevitabl
Will,
And IBM invented the Personal Computer.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/26/2019 7:25 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America...
And Edison invented the incandescent lamp.
And Digital invented the minicomputer.
...we are j
> > You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America...
>
> And Edison invented the incandescent lamp.
And Digital invented the minicomputer.
...we are just as guilty...
--
Will
On 11/26/19 12:48 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/26/19 1:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people
>> involved at time cited are dead.
>>
>> Such is history.
>>
>
> You mean like how history says Columbus discove
On 11/26/19 1:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people
> involved at time cited are dead.
>
> Such is history.
>
You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America
and Marconi invented radio. :-)
bill
I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people
involved at time cited are dead.
Such is history.
--Chuck
Ooops, editing error:
> Although one could build a system which has aggregatable addresses, used
> for path selection, but hid them from the hosts, and used an 'invisible'
> mapping system to translate from them to the aggregatable 'true'
addresses.
Should have been "to translate fro
> From: Brent Hilpert
> Roughly, IP took care of a common addressing scheme and a common
> packet presentation, TCP took care of end-to-end flow control.
Yes on IP, but TCP's main function is reliability - much of the mechanism of
TCP (sequence numbers, acknowledgements, timeouts and
"Since 2016, the AP stylebook now recommends lowercasing internet
and web. Whenever you refer to the Internet as a proper noun
(i.e. you are referring to the World Wide Web), then Internet
should be capitalized. If you are referring to a general network
of computers, then you can use the
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
A sad commentary in this age of what my ???facts??? and your ???facts???
are, are not the same but we historians should do our best to state
???firsts??? and ???facts??? are indeed that to the best of our
knowledge.
A typical instance o
On 11/25/19 8:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> I don't know what I'll do now. I can't do the amount of stuff that I
> did decades ago.
What I've found with age is that nobody begrudges you for taking long
naps...
Zz,
--Chuck
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
Things we historians talk about are ‘firsts’ and ‘facts’. If we go to
original source(s) maybe then we will get things right. I guess the best
that can be said is we agree to disagree. A sad commentary in this age of
what my ‘facts’ and yo
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
*Wrote:*
*“More worrisome is that Murray is NOT A "NEWCOMER" who will be "scared off" *
*by corrections of his facts! This is not the first time that he has *
*needed to be admonished to be VERY specific about what was "FIRST" about *
*something. He w
This is starting to sound like a usenet discussion years ago about the
correct plural of 'VAX' :-)
Vaxen, Vaces, or just multiple VAX installations anybody?
cheers,
Nigel
On 25/11/2019 21:19, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
On 11/25/19 2:14 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Will,
Go
On 11/25/19 2:14 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Will,
Good one. LOL! :)
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 4:10 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Oh goody; when the "intranet" vs. "an internet" vs. "The Internet"
discussion finally gets boring we can argue over the meaning
On 11/25/2019 5:29 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
Do you mean they have finally perfected the WOM???
Yes in 1972 , but no free samples of the Signetics 25120,
orders only of 999,999 units @ $ 1.95 each. (limited time offer)
http://www.ganssle.com/misc/wom1.jpg
http://www.ganssle.com/mi
Do you mean they have finally perfected the WOM???
On 11/25/2019 6:21 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
Remember we now are moving in the cloud era, a write only device.
--
Nigel Johnson
MSc., MIEEE
VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
You can reach me by
Hello all,
I will never move to the cloud. I don't want my info out there.
That is why win8 will probably be the last version of windoze that I
will ever use.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 6:21 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 11/25/2019 5:01 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
As
On 11/25/2019 5:01 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
As a whole, my internet at home could be considered an intranet, as
distinct from The Internet.
Remember we now are moving in the cloud era, a write only device.
I am just waiting for a INTERNET of pi's all emulating TSS 8.
The web for the la
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:53 AM Nigel Johnson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> No, your home has an intranet!
>
My home has multiple distinct IP networks, which are joined by routers, and
by definition they constitute an internet.
As a whole, my internet at home could be considered
Will,
Good one. LOL! :)
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 4:10 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Oh goody; when the "intranet" vs. "an internet" vs. "The Internet" discussion finally gets boring we can
argue over the meaning and function of "switches" vs. "routers" vs. "hubs".
been the proper way since private BBS' were in existence.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 4:03 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Noel Chiappa via cctalk"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: "Fi
> Oh goody; when the "intranet" vs. "an internet" vs. "The Internet" discussion
> finally gets boring we can argue over the meaning and function of "switches"
> vs. "routers" vs. "hubs".
If we are lucky, maybe we can start a new holy war along the lines of
vi vs. emacs.
--
Will
- Original Message -
From: "Noel Chiappa via cctalk"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: "First Internet message" and ...
>... Can you please provide a crisp, definitive, technical definition of what an
> 'intranet' is
Hello all,
So I had an internet when I had my Amigas networked to my Windoze
machines with Arcnet and the Windoze machines where connected to the
Internet through a router/firewall. Correct??
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 2:45 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> From: Ni
seen recently:
"Ah, but was it porn, spam, or pop-up ads that really fueled the
development of the interwebs?"
On 2019-Nov-25, at 11:01 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk
>> wrote:
>> On 11/25/2019 12:06 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
From: Fred Cisin
Is that message about 1) history of internet? (THANK YOU for specifying
"internet"
> From: Nigel Johnson
> No, your home has an intranet!
Can you please provide a crisp, definitive, technical definition of what an
'intranet' is (similar to the one I just provided for 'internet' - "disparate
networks tied together with packet switches which examine the internet-layer
hea
On 11/25/19 2:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/25/19 11:38 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>> Does nobody remember AUTODIN?
>>
>> Basically, no.
>
> Yeah. That's what I thought--or even WWMCCS.
>
Well, just to keep a lot people from going to bed tonite
in tears. :-)
Having been m
> From: Richard Pope
> Isn't the proper term for my network of computers here at home:
> internet
It depends on what's inside it.
An 'internet' is a collection of disparate networks tied together with packet
switches which examine the internet-layer headers of the packets passing
thr
On 11/25/19 11:38 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> Does nobody remember AUTODIN?
>
> Basically, no.
Yeah. That's what I thought--or even WWMCCS.
--Chuck
> Does nobody remember AUTODIN?
Basically, no.
--
Will
On 11/25/19 11:15 AM, alan--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> Taking the risk of opening another can of worms...
>
> ARPANET wasn't the first large scale data network. I believe SITA HLN
> was world-wide by 1969. However it was a mix of switching technologies
> from fully automated to manual depending on
> ARPANET wasn't the first large scale data network. I believe SITA HLN
> was world-wide by 1969. However it was a mix of switching technologies
> from fully automated to manual depending on what part of the world you
> were in. Frankfurt was the first SITA node to transition to fully
> automati
Taking the risk of opening another can of worms...
ARPANET wasn't the first large scale data network. I believe SITA HLN
was world-wide by 1969. However it was a mix of switching technologies
from fully automated to manual depending on what part of the world you
were in. Frankfurt was the
No, "internet" has (had?) a very different meaning. Loosely, a network of
computers belonging to different organizations, or using different
technologies. I think at the time, "network" was used to designate a
collection of computers in a single building, or under single management,
talking t
Nigel,
You are correct. Sorry! A Senior moment. LOL! :) What about
internet vs Internet?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 12:53 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
No, your home has an intranet!
cheers,
Nigel
On 25/11/2019 13:45, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Noel,
Isn't
No, your home has an intranet!
cheers,
Nigel
On 25/11/2019 13:45, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Noel,
Isn't the proper term for my network of computers here at home:
internet and the term : Internet the proper term for the worldwide
collection of networked computers?
GOD Bless and Tha
Noel,
Isn't the proper term for my network of computers here at home:
internet and the term : Internet the proper term for the worldwide
collection of networked computers?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/25/2019 12:06 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> From: Fred Cisin
> Is
> From: Fred Cisin
> Is that message about 1) history of internet? (THANK YOU for specifying
> "internet", otherwise "computer to computer" involves much older history.
> ...
> those messages were sent on PRECURSORS to the internet, NOT on the
> internet.
Did you mean "int
On 11/25/19 8:55 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> Like most things, the colors of computer networking history get
> extremely blurred and runny, like using watercolors on toilet paper.
A lot on the subject has been written. Sometimes they even go back to primary
sources. Most times, th
> 2019 - 60 = 1959. Yes, there were a few computers then, and
> serial communication over phone lines was possible.
> But, "Internet"?? Did they actually use TCP/IP? No, not
> invented yet.
Like most things, the colors of computer networking history get
extremely blurred and runny, like using w
On 11/24/2019 04:07 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
The first Internet message was sent 60 yrs. ago on Nov. 21 between SRI and
UCLA.
2019 - 60 = 1959. Yes, there were a few computers then, and
serial communication over phone lines was possible.
But, "Internet"?? Did they actually use T
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 05:38, Jim Manley via cctalk
wrote:
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> One of my special tours at the CHM is "Mistakes That Kept Getting Repeated"
That is something I would _really_ like to hear. Sadly I am on the
wrong continent for it and that's not likely to change in the
foreseeable future. Between n
Yes.
But what REALLY happened was even more exciting than some cockamamy TV
news "Birthday of the internet!" headline story with a segue into malware
and fake news warnings.
The message being discussed, "LO[GIN]", was an important "proof of
concept" of what could eventually be done.
More w
Jim,
Well said and Thank-you!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/24/2019 10:37 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote:
Don't spoil the spirit of excitement over this sort of thing, even if they
get every detail wrong. You weren't present for this event, and even
"expert" historians routinely also g
Don't spoil the spirit of excitement over this sort of thing, even if they
get every detail wrong. You weren't present for this event, and even
"expert" historians routinely also get a _lot_ of things wrong. I lived
through this era, and have spent the last two decades conveying the
importance of
On 11/24/19 5:07 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> The first Internet message was sent 60 yrs. ago on Nov. 21 between SRI and
> UCLA. It was one-to-many, or more accurate one-to-one, but the world today
> is many-to-many though cctalk runs through a moderator. The Internet
> democratizes an
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