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> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:11:49 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Coleco & Atari
> > old? 1983. Coleco ADAM, my favourite, and Atari 600XL, not
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:53 AM Rob Jarratt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> My jaw dropped when I saw this:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223201002247?ul_noapp=true
>
>
>
> It looks nice externally, and it has the pedestal, which is nice, but the
> seller has not even give the spec or
I’ll throw in my two cents to say that I’ve used a fair number of GUIs over the
years both commercially available and FOSS, and I’d say that Windows 95’s UI
blew the doors off of anything I’d used up that point in terms of usability.
Nobody IMO can fairly compare it with the previously available
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> IMIHO, a grievous error by making things too physically small. The
> standard SD card is easy enough to pick out in a deep-pile carpet. Not
> so, the usual black-colored MicriSD. The dog might well eat
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Below is a sampling of disks recorded between 2001 and 2009. It is
> likely that the disks of the same type were from the same package
> because I don't use many disks. They were stored without much care,
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Peter Cetinski via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to ascertain what the last computer released by Tandy/Radio
> Shack was that had the TRS-80 name on it
> >
> > I think it was the CoCo 3 in 1986
> >
> > Kevin Parker
>
> The CoCo 3 was Tandy
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Hi, All,
>
> I've been doing component-level diagnosis of a bad Amiga 1000 WCS
> board and since I was unable to find this information anywhere, I
> thought I'd post it to the list so that it's in the hands o
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I see that the actual fragmentation is about how each and everyone got in
> touch with computers, personal or mainframe or whatever! Me, I was in
> junior high and usually understood everything
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 8:06 AM, geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
> Then they upgraded the model 1 to reduce the cords and cables, and made
>> the Model 3. I don't know whether the resemblance to the Northstar
>> Dimension was deliberate.
>>
>>
> I th
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 7:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> D'ya mean like an automobile company making more than one model? Surely
> there is no need for Toyota to make both a Corolla AND a Camry!
>
>
Hmm... not really sure about that comparison. After all, it's no
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 23:04, Fred Cisin via cctalk >
> wrote:
>
> I'd go for a bike over a car any day. Well, when I was young, anyway. Now,
> I'm getting kinda stiff and creaky... Because of all the bike c
It is obvious that the TRS-80 line of computers suffered severe
fragmentation with differing architectures:
TRS-80 Model I, III, and 4(P) are all obviously of a mostly compatible
architecture.
TRS-80 Model II and 16, 68k based "business" machines
TRS-80 CoCo I, II, III (Dragon)
TRS-80 PC-x, variou
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 2018-03-28 1:51 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >> The rock has been lifted (again)
> >>
> >> DOES ANYONE READ OLD POSTS HERE??
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:06 AM, Terry Stewart via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The PAL vrs NTSC TV standard complicated things when collecting home
> computers from other countries.
>
> In New Zealand we are on PAL. PAL Atari 800s are rarer in the world that
> NTSC ones. That
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:31 AM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> ah do they don't just collect just loose keyboards they 'snatch'
> keyboards leaving the rest of the carcus to of the terminal to rot??
>
>
>
>
I suspect that the problem may be two-sided. Could be there are a fair
number of
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> …are the bane of my existence and should all rot in hell.
>
> Sorry, I just received an email from a “keyboard enthusiast” who was
> looking for
> various IBM 327x keyboards and wanted to know if I could h
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:58 PM, william degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Did anyone attend VCF South East this past year, there was a large table
> run by a keyboard vendor. Just keyboards, laid out like tusks from poached
> elephants.
>
Lol! I love it.
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Is that like the notion that we have Stallman to thank for Open Source
> software?
>
>
>
Exactly.
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
??
> VisiCalc was written and developed in Massachusetts. 3 thousand miles
> from Silicon Valley.
>
>
Right. That was sarcasm on my part, since we have been repeatedly told by
armchair historians that w
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 18 October 2017 at 01:33, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> > "Entry in my journal: First complete VisiCalc in a package was October
> 19,
> > 1979. I received a copy the next day as I recall."
> >
> > htt
I felt like Cardiff also had a resemblance to Tandy/Radio Shack as well,
since they were in the electronics business before getting into computers.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:24 PM, tom sparks via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I have just finished watching [Halt and Catch Fire](
> https
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> You could well be right--I do recall that there was "Mac SCSI" and then
> the slightly different "Everyone else's SCSI". I ran into this when
> talking with some SMS/OMTI engineers about an ST506-to-SCSI br
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:05 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
>
>> Speaking of I've got a couple of old MFM drives (10 and 20 MB of a
>> variety whose name and model #'s escape me, I
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> What I find perplexing is the acronym "SATA" for "Serial ATA". The name
> would imply that a drive can be connected to a 5170, but I'm not aware
> of any SATA adapters for the 5170 PC/AT.
>
I'm sure you'r
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 9/28/17 7:38 AM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
>
> > What is it that usually fails when the drive can't read the servo info?
> The data on the platter, or?
>
> I've never dug that far into it beyond fidd
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:16 AM, allison via cctalk
wrote:
>
>>
> IDE disks format usually meant high level only. SCSI could be either
> depnding on the specific controller and media.
>
>
Seems like the omission of low level formatting of IDE drives had more to
do with preserving the servo trac
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 9/15/2017 10:49 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Wow... that really doesn't make him look good at all!
>>
>>
>>> It does not surprise me. Not that I
Wow... that really doesn't make him look good at all!
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cc
The way a lady at my work did them was to crack out the bottom piece of the
socket to give better access to the pins. She didn't typically put the
bottom piece back in since we used the PLCC socket to plug into an emulator
pod so there was no need for it (shoulder around the POD connector wouldn't
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 6 September 2017 at 16:55, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> > There's a pretty good article about TI's home computers that I've been
> > trying to find
Depends on if you're talking about the 99/4 or 99/4A. The 99/4 was black
and silver and had a chiclet style keyboard and is rare. The 4A had a black
and silver finish first, and then later switched to beige I imagine in an
effort to curb costs since they were being undercut pretty badly by
Commodor
Looks great!
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> From the Apple ][ up to PowerMac G4s. So, possibly a bit new for many
> of you folk, but I enjoyed them and thought others might too.
>
> http://podstawczynski.com/retro/beauty_shots.html
>
> --
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Richard Sheppard via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> May depend on the model, but mine has a spring under the plastic reset
> button in the top of the case and one of those metal domed tactile switches
> on the PCB.
>
This matches my recollection of the
Not sure how it worked on the Vectrex, but I am familiar with Atari vector
arcade games (used to own a Tempest and Asteroids machine). In them, they
used a display controller that utilized a display list of coordinates,
colors, etc and IIRC it even had the ability to do jumps, etc probably
simi
I use a TV tuner/video capture card (Hauppauge WinTV-D) and DScaler to
display output from my PAL Commodore 128D either composite or Y/C. It works
quite well actually. I did try a cheapy PAL/NTSC converter from eBay but
any horizontal movement is terrible since it doesn't do any
framebuffering/pull
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Peter Cetinski wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Bob Rosenbloom
> wrote:
> >
> > On Craigslist. Has bad screen rot.
> >
> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/5817891157.html
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
> That’s an understatement! Anyone know how difficul
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Adam Sampson wrote:
>
> On the Amiga, our favourites included: Lemmings (two mice), Stunt Car
> Racer (serial link), Gravity Power, Blob Kombat, Space Taxi, XTreme
> Racing, and Super Skidmarks (all two joysticks). On Unix machines, hunt
> (terminal) and XPilot (X
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Mouse wrote:
> To a point, perhaps. But some of the old games were just _good_. My
> own favourite is Tempest, one of the few colour vector games. 24
> _kilo_bytes for the entire game, and it's still one of the most
> engaging games I've ever played.
>
Ooh! Me
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 10/08/2016 06:13 PM, TeoZ wrote:
> >
> > Everybody has something they do to chill out, some drink or jog, or
> > play games.
>
> Certainly, but playing computer games after a hard day in front of the
> number-cruncher seems like a terrible w
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > They make nice Kleenex dispensers.
> >
> >
>
> http://www.cultofmac.com/62678/diy-powermac-g4-cube-tissue-dispenser/
>
>
>
Why, why, why? sheesh.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
>
>> Who said anything about it being a documentary? It's a period drama
> largely
> based on the kinds of flamboyant personalities that pioneered much of the
> personal computer industry. While retro computers are in the show, I don't
>
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 06/28/2016 08:06 PM, Geoff Oltmans wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I'm in the process of trying to unload a bunch of things I don't
> > need, and I have several sticks of old ICs that I have no need for.
> > Most are easily identified, bu
If you're in the neighborhood of a DX2-66 IIRC, 486DX 50s with VLB were
fairly desirable vs a 486DX2-66 if you got the right mix of VLB cards to
use, since you could run the VLB cards faster.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> 2.88M 3.5" floppies were a huge mistake (there were also 2.88M 5.25"
> ones as well). The media was expensive (I think I paid nearly $50 for
> box of 10 DSED floppies and the drives needed FDC support. That being
> said, most P2 and later b
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 08:39, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>
> > Read list your emails. :) It was not VCF Southern California.
> >
> > But northern California is nice too.
>
> I seem to have missed the announcement in the noise, unless you were
>
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> And, THAT is why it MUST be replaced immediately by "modern" hardware
> and software, to put an end to that. Windows10 can change that.
>
>
Yes, and while we're at it, put it in "the cloud" so that the we can have
an app for "red button." ;
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans
wrote:
>
>
> That's a pretty good list. I agree with you on the Atari Lynx. I miss mine
> as well...bought it brand new and ended up buying about 21 games for it for
> dirt cheap when they started clearancing them off (mo
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> I've stack-ranked all the classic items that I, to my everlasting shame,
> let go of at some point and now I feel like it was a mistake:
>
> 1. Amiga 2500. I ditched it thinking I'd pick up a 3000 then never did.
> Ugh. It was free. They we
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
>
> In the 1980's and 1990's SGI was a bright shining exception and I love
> them for that early middle finger to the beige box priesthood. Apple/NeXT
> did a decent job, too. Once they became one and Jobs got his way, he seems
> to have set
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:17 PM, wrote:
>
>> The
>> other is that many Amigas had processor "slots" (with edge connectors)
>> rather than some tiny fiddly ball-grid array etc... but I'm not a EE; so
>> maybe that's bunk.
>>
>>
> High clock rates for data busses of modern systems wouldn't work wi
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Jason Scott wrote:
> It would be nice if you linked to where you saw him in the video,
> time-wise. Here's what Bryan Cranston looked like in 1984, the time this
> video came out.
> http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/bryancranston.jpg
>
> He was defin
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM, geneb wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T1IYdjOpYE
>
> The video is an hour long, but you can skip around. It includes ads for
> machines like the ITT Xtra, IBM PC Jr, etc. The Hayes Smartmodem ad is
> just atrocious. :) There's even ads for IOMega driv
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> I have some 90's consoles in my collection and I fondly remember a few
> systems that took carts that family and friends owned back in the 80's and
> 90's. I thought the Colecovision Adam was awesome. My cousin had one and
> I
> was so je
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Swift Griggs
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, et...@757.org wrote:
> > > Why does blowing on them help? (mosture? cleaning action?)
> > The moisure makes the connection work better or something, so that is
> > where it comes from. Cleaning the contacts is best, a
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
> This is what I struggled with, too. Why buy yet another piece of kit when
> I can run UAE and other emulators with ease (and all on my main
> workstation) ? For me, the reason is a bit specific to my situation. For
> one, the MiST is _tiny_
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:39 PM, ben wrote:
>
>
FPGA's can match the TIMING and HARDWARE BUGS better, if given half a
>>> chance.
>>>
>>
>>
Either one is an approximation of the real hardware. It all depends on the
level of effort given to either approach.
For what it's worth, for very complex
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Swift Griggs
wrote:
>
> http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=96
>
> I recently picked up one of these devices. I'll apologize in advance if
> you folks have already had a discussion about the MiST. Basically, it's an
> FPGA that's capable of emulation (for lack of
Slight threadjack... which is uglier... the Lisa or the Apple ///?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:14 PM, John Willis
wrote:
> everything-is-plaintext philosophy. IMO, NT offers a better kernel than
> OS/2,
> but nothing has ever matched the elegance and sheer power of the Workplace
> Shell as a graphical abstraction.
>
Hmmm... agree to disagree I guess. I generally
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> Anyone still messing with the Kyocera machines?
> (Radio Shack Model 100, NEC PC-8201A, and a few others were part of the
> same series made by Kyocera (Kyoto Ceramics))
>
>
>
I've been tinkering with a Tandy 102 lately. Recently picked up a TP
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> I haven't see aluminum-rated devices in hardware stores in many years. Be
> careful: typically they will be labeled either as "copper only" or as
> "CU/AL". But that doesn't mean "copper or aluminum" -- it means you're
> allowed to user co
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> Almost half a century ago, there were attempts to use aluminium instead of
> copper for house wiring. It did not go well.
>
No, it didn't! We looked at several old houses back in 2012 before we
bought the house we're in now. Several of the
I should note too that more "forward looking" approaches such as in
Australia with NBN Co have re-evaluated their wholesale approach at a
fiber-only deployment to also include some copper deployments, due to cost
pressures.
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> Several times. When the weather improves and they start working again,
> I'll corral a tech and ask him to open one up for photos. They're great
> guys to a man/womam. It's a big cabinet--perhaps 10-12 feed long. There
> are smaller cabi
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> Speaking of 1980s/90s, are telcos pretty much the only ones using ATM
> nowadays?
>
> --Chuck
>
>
I can't speak for the whole Telco segment, but I work on DSLAMs for a
living and have done so for the past 15 years. Our earliest generation
DSL
centurylink.com/news/centurylink-to-bring-broadband-to-1-2-million-rural-households-in-33-states
Poke around on FCC for CAF and you're sure to find deployment maps.It is a
sizable chunk of money up for grabs.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 12/30/2015 11:5
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Jim Brain wrote:
>
> We were spoiled in South Dakota, as somehow (and I am sure someone knows
> and will enlighten us/me) the rural telcos (LECs?) tapped into lots of
> funds from somewhere to drop fiber to all of the rural homes. 50Mb was the
> slowest speed, a
That's not universally true. I had a breadbin C-64 that only output
composite video. All the C-64Cs do, but apparently an easy way to check on
the older ones is whether the video connector is 5-pin or 8-pin.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:33 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
> The C-64 video output +is+ S-V
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Adrian Graham
wrote:
> Having typed that subject line I'm changing my attitude slightly:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONE-OF-FEW-REMAINING-1ST-AVAILABLE-MICE-IN-THE-WORLD-1983-APPLE-LISA-MOUSE-/172035907806?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
That is an odd connector. I
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> 'joy' of using exclusively Teletypes for
> the first two years I worked with computers, and I didn't (and still don't)
> miss them one bit!
>
> Which is not to say I look down on those who collect/restore them, I
> understand they are an imp
Seems like it's worth is totally dependent on its provenance...how do you
prove that?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> > On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:58 PM, feldma...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > A core memory unit from Gemini 3 is up for auction:
> http://www.scientificcomputing.
IIRC, IBM liked to refer to them as planar boards...
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:18:46AM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > Wasn't the B5900 from 1980?
>
> Hmm. I guess my mind put "B5500" for "B5900".
>
> mcl
>
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> Ah! That explains my lack of results. I soaked the keys for five or six
> hours. They got clean, but didn't change color very much. Sounds like I
> pulled them out too soon. Several days, you say?
>
> The keys float (as noted in T's link),
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Terry Stewart
wrote:
>
>
> >Regarding the keycaps -- Corey Cohen suggested that I remove them and soak
> them in 3% peroxide. Going to have to try that.
>
Well, remember this is with just 3% hydrogen peroxide, which is quite a bit
less than what's in the hair gel
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