On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 1:40 AM Rick Bensene via cctalk
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> Mike Katz wrote:
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> > I'm sorry but you are misinformed about the HP-41C Calculator.
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> > The HP-41 was the first calculator that had Alpha-Numerics.
>
> That is not true.
>
> Technically, out of the box, it was the HP 9830. Yes
On 5/25/24 22:03, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
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>>> I think it was indeed the way to tell NEC V20 and other x86 chips apart:
>>> good if you wanted to make seamless use of the 8080 emulation mode).
>>
>> Is this something you've actually verified?
On Sun, 26 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 5/26/24 17:30, dwight via cctalk wrote:
I'm not claiming it was the first personal computer but is was my first
personal computer. It was within a year or two of just about any other first
personal computer.
It was a Poly88 with ROM based
On 5/26/24 17:30, dwight via cctalk wrote:
> I'm not claiming it was the first personal computer but is was my first
> personal computer. It was within a year or two of just about any other first
> personal computer.
> It was a Poly88 with ROM based tiny basic. I had a keyboard, I think I got
>
On Mon, 27 May 2024, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote:
This was because if someone submitted a capital equipment request for a
"computer", bean counters would immediately reject it, while calculators
would sail right through.
Why?
Because computers were big complicated machines that required expen
Mike Katz wrote:
> I'm sorry but you are misinformed about the HP-41C Calculator.
> The HP-41 was the first calculator that had Alpha-Numerics.
That is not true.
Technically, out of the box, it was the HP 9830. Yes, it wasn't a handheld
calculator, and it didn't run on batteries(it was big
I'm not claiming it was the first personal computer but is was my first
personal computer. It was within a year or two of just about any other first
personal computer.
It was a Poly88 with ROM based tiny basic. I had a keyboard, I think I got from
Mike Quin's as well as a Singer typing terminal
Carey S. writes:
> If it only manipulates numeric data, it is a calculator. It must be able to
> search,
> rearrange look up, compare, and display characters. I would have thought
> that to be
> obvious. ...if it cannot give a text description of the answer, it is
> a
> calculator.
> Als
OS/9 was an incredible operating system for an 8 bit machine. Level 1
was a bit limited. But level II, which could address a megabyte of
memory or more, supported multiple tasks, users and intelligent
peripherals. It supported applications in ROM and RAM and made full use
of all of the advan
i'm sorry but you are misinformed about the HP-41C Calculator.
The HP-41 was the first calculator that had Alpha-Numerics. It could
very well give text descriptions, text prompts and even manipulate
text. It also had a full goto and gosub to alphanumeric labels.
It had a very sophisticated
On 5/26/24 14:14, CAREY SCHUG wrote:
> if it only manipulates numeric data, it is a calculator. It must be able to
> search, rearrange look up, compare, and display characters. I would have
> thought that to be obvious. I don'care if it has 99 terabites of high speed
> memory and does fourier
You rap the drive to get it unstuck, but if you rap it too hard
the machine would reset.
On Sun, 26 May 2024, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
I think I had a co-worker like that once.
The problem with trying to implement percussive maintenance with cow-
orkers, is that the force needed to un
"Real OS"? While I don't agree with your specific examples of
inadequacies, I will readily concede that nothing so far is ready for the
title.
On Sun, 26 May 2024, ben via cctalk wrote:
CP/M was the cats meyow in the 1970's,but there was other systems out like
flex for the 6800, or later OS/9
if it only manipulates numeric data, it is a calculator. It must be able to
search, rearrange look up, compare, and display characters. I would have
thought that to be obvious. I don'care if it has 99 terabites of high speed
memory and does fourier transforms in minus 0 seconds, if it cannot
On 2024-05-26 2:01 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 5/26/24 11:11, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2024-05-26 10:56 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
I did use a CP/M machine once, but the 8" drive was a bit sticky.
You rap the drive to get it unstuck, but if you rap it too hard
the machine w
> You rap the drive to get it unstuck, but if you rap it too hard
> the machine would reset.
I think I had a co-worker like that once.
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On 5/26/24 11:11, ben via cctalk wrote:
> On 2024-05-26 10:56 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> I did use a CP/M machine once, but the 8" drive was a bit sticky.
> You rap the drive to get it unstuck, but if you rap it too hard
> the machine would reset.
Fred, just forget it. We belong to a b
On 2024-05-26 10:56 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2024, ben via cctalk wrote:
I think the most important thing for a Personal Computer,
is the average Joe, can afford and use it. The second thing is
to have ample memory and IO to run useful programs. The basic Apple
I,II do
On Sun, 26 May 2024, ben via cctalk wrote:
I think the most important thing for a Personal Computer,
is the average Joe, can afford and use it. The second thing is
to have ample memory and IO to run useful programs. The basic Apple I,II
does not count as many others as it had BASIC in ROM and t
On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 4:26 AM Glen Slick wrote:
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> On Sun, May 26, 2024, 4:06 AM emanuel stiebler wrote:
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>> On 2024-05-25 13:23, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
>> > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:27 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >> anybody in the US could progr
On Sun, May 26, 2024, 12:37 AM Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Katz via cctalk
> > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 12:21 AM
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Cc: Mike Katz
At the time of its release, (1) learning to program and (2) blinking lights was
enough to be a useful device.
--Carey
> On 05/26/2024 5:59 AM CDT Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 07:50, ben via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > I think the most important thing for a Personal Co
Well said.
On Sun, 26 May 2024, 6:59 pm Liam Proven via cctalk,
wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 07:50, ben via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > I think the most important thing for a Personal Computer,
> > is the average Joe, can afford and use it.
>
> Yes, agreed.
>
> > The second thing is
> > to have
On Sun, May 26, 2024, 4:06 AM emanuel stiebler wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 13:23, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
> > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:27 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> anybody in the US could program some SCM90448 EPROMs for me?
> >> None of my programmers I h
On 2024-05-25 13:23, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:27 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk
wrote:
Hi all,
anybody in the US could program some SCM90448 EPROMs for me?
None of my programmers I have here, can do it.
Some old, trusty DATA I/O ???
What is an SCM90448? Can you
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Katz via cctalk
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 12:21 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Cc: Mike Katz
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer
>
> You see, we are back to my original comment. The definition of Personal
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