Well said.

On Sun, 26 May 2024, 6:59 pm Liam Proven via cctalk, <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 07:50, ben via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think the most important thing for a Personal Computer,
> > is the average Joe, can afford and use it.
>
> Yes, agreed.
>
> > The second thing is
> > to have ample memory and IO to run useful programs.
>
> Now, you see, I'd agree with that but then you immediately go and blow
> it out of the water with this:
>
> > The  basic Apple
> > I,II does not count as many others as it had BASIC in ROM and tape IO.
>
> Hang on. So what?
>
> My first computer was a Sinclair ZX Spectrum. 48kB RAM, tape cassette
> storage, floating-point BASIC with graphics commands in ROM. It was an
> ample  amount of RAM, it could run useful programs, and I both bought
> hundreds of them and wrote my own.
>
> What kind of subjective elitist BS is this?!
>
> My Spectrum outspecced many early CP/M machines and they sold in the
> hundreds of thousands to millions (worldwide, amalgamating all brands)
> and spawned a multi-TRILLION-dollar industry, but in the opinion of
> the mighty Mr I-don't-need-a-capital-letter-or-a-surname ben, they
> don't count?
>
> Get in the sea.
>
> Utter tosh. You dismiss an entire decade's worth of hardware that
> created careers, shaped the economies of nations, and arguably caused
> the collapse of communism in Europe because you don't approve?
>
> No. Not for a second, not to be even entertained for amusement for an
> instant, no.
>
>
> > The third thing is a real OS. Nobody has one, as a personal computer.
>
> Tell me you never used DOS in anger, never saw CCP/M and CDOS and QNX
> and DESQview, or Xenix, or really knew the PC platform at all, without
> telling me. Utter bilgewater. Apparently you never even saw Borland
> Sidekick.
>
> Ill-informed nonsense.
>
>
> > CP/M and MSDOS does not handle IRQ's.
>
> Wrong.
>
> > Unix for the PDP-11 is real
> > operating system but not personal as it requires a admin,and a swapping
> > media.
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>
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