Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 6/22/2021 11:46 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: | The same goes for Multics I think the 80286 was a better platform than the original for Multics. And, of course, the Pentium is even better. Is Multics available for Intel systems? I'm not sure what you are talking about.  Intel's engineer

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread Van Snyder via cctalk
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 19:45 -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > There's actually a surprising amount of preserved material Both > in source form, and both run in emulation. I re-created the Bendix G-15 Intercom 2000 from a manual. Not running, of course, on a real G-15. Is there a G-15

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 5:43 PM, ben via cctech wrote: > > ... > 1965 to 1985 generated most of the new computing languages,operating > systems and ideas. Sadly most of it seems lost source code wise. > Ben. I might push the start of that back to 1955, but apart from that I agree you have a go

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-06-22 3:10 p.m., r.stricklin via cctech wrote: On Jun 22, 2021, at 12:40 PM, ben via cctech wrote: Lisp is evaluated, not compiled from what little I have read. If I could read the papers (for free) I could know more. So… have I got this right? 1. You admit directly you have onl

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 12:40 PM, ben via cctech wrote: > Lisp is evaluated, not compiled from what little I have read. > If I could read the papers (for free) I could know more. So… have I got this right? 1. You admit directly you have only a little knowledge on the topic. 2. You choose to st

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
Someone already did this with a TEK4010 emulation:  See https://github.com/rricharz/Tek4010 Hmmm... You could use a Raspberry Pi to emulate a number of terminals. Doug On 6/22/2021 3:49 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: On 2021-06-22 01:03, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I'm now wonder

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
I’d like a copy. This is the card version? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 15:44 -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> The Electrologica ALGOL compilers used somewhat similar mixtures of >> pseudocode and machine

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread Van Snyder via cctalk
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 15:44 -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > The Electrologica ALGOL compilers used somewhat similar mixtures of > pseudocode and machine code. The IBM 1401 Fortran compiler 1401-FO-050 (subset of Fortran II) generated machine code for integer operations, and bytecode for flo

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 3:40 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > ... > Lisp is evaluated, not compiled from what little I have read. > If I could read the papers (for free) I could know more. > Refal "Recursive functions algorithmic language" from Russia > looks just what I was looking for. Around sin

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2021-06-21 3:47 p.m., Rich Alderson wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 22:19:02 -0600 From: ben via cctalk LISP still can't be compiled. May I respectfully suggest that you don't know WTF you're talking about? LISP compilers have existed for decades. One of the *early* MIT AI Lab papers by

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > > > >> On Jun 22, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk >> wrote: >> Imagine a Tekronox Emulation on a 4K display ;-) >> >> Like a Tek 4019? I remember seeing those in Typeset-11, amazing. > > That brings up an interesting que

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > >>> Imagine a Tekronox Emulation on a 4K display ;-) > > Like a Tek 4019? I remember seeing those in Typeset-11, amazing. That brings up an interesting question, how good is a 4K display for emulating vector graphics? Zane

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 6:32 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > I would love to see REAL RS232 on a RBPi, probably even the original > > MMJ from DEC for keyboard & mouse > > What is a /real/ RS-232? How does it differ from USB-to-RS-232 and / or > bit banging GPIO lines? The OP said he meant

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 6:32 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 6/22/21 1:49 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: >> Be careful. The "native" resolution of the vt340 is 800x480 in 4:3 format ... > > 800x480 isn't 4:3 aspect, like VGA 640x480 / SVGA 800x600 / XGA (?) 1024x768. > Bu

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2021-06-22 06:32, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 6/22/21 1:49 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: >> So I would use an 15" 4K display at the RBpi, and scale up... > > I personally dislike all the 4k monitors that I've seen.  I'd be more > likely to go old school. Why? I love the new o

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 6/22/21 1:49 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: Be careful. The "native" resolution of the vt340 is 800x480 in 4:3 format ... 800x480 isn't 4:3 aspect, like VGA 640x480 / SVGA 800x600 / XGA (?) 1024x768. But I suppose the aspect ratio can be the area that the pixels cover, not the act

Re: VT100 colors

2021-06-22 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 22/06/2021 08:16, Matt Burke via cctalk wrote: The VT640 had a green phosphor. This was a 3rd party upgrade for the VT100 from Digital Engineering which gives the VT100 graphical capabilities. Part of the upgrade involved changing the picture tube. I suspect this was to reduce flicker as the p

Water Cooling and Hot Climates was RE: IBM 1620; was: Early Programming Books

2021-06-22 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Van Snyder via > cctalk > Sent: 22 June 2021 00:00 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IBM 1620; was: Early Programming Books > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 17:26 -0400, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > > > Of course, nowadays, the

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2021-06-22 01:03, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > I'm now wondering about building something like a Raspberry Pi with an > LCD display (native resolution?) Be careful. The "native" resolution of the vt340 is 800x480 in 4:3 format ... So I would use an 15" 4K display at the RBpi, and scale u

Re: VT100 colors

2021-06-22 Thread Matt Burke via cctalk
On 21/06/2021 18:12, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > I found the IPB on bitsavers and that lists the P4 phosphor and a > later CRT with the P40 phosphor. I think both of those are white. > > > I did find one seemingly untouched image of a VT100 with green text: > https://vistapointe.net/clipart

Re: VT340 Emulation

2021-06-22 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2021-06-22 01:03, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > After seeing the prices of VT3xx / VT4xx / VT5xx when I looked a few > years ago, I quickly decided that I didn't want to spend that sort of > money. And, if you get a cheap VT340, it probably is just an "A", not a "G+" version :(