Re: TI Explorer Lisp machine tapes

2019-02-20 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 03:47:08PM -0800, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > http://bitsavers.org/bits/TI/Explorer/cartridge_tapes > > the 2.6.0 diag 6.0 bootable and 6.0 patches are probably the most interesting > > has there been ANY posts about the Explorer simulator in the last decade? Now the

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:40 PM Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > At least on the Rainbow the floppy chip is kept in MFM mode all the time, > unless you've written something to hack it to read alien disks. And modified the hardware. On the Rainbow the 'Dden/' pin of the floppy controller chip is

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
After spending way to much time on this today, I verified that at least on the CMD CQD Q-Bus SCSI controller versions that I have if I wanted the CMD CQD controller to report an MSCP disk size of exactly 891072 blocks to match the SIMH emulated RA81 disk size, I had to soft resize the capacity of t

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 2/20/19 12:23 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Please note that among LANs, there is Token Ring (802.5) and there is everything else. I think it really depends on how you look at them. From a frame formatting point of view, Ethernet is the odd ball when looking at how TCP/IP is carried.

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 2/20/19 12:13 PM, Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote: re: Cisco and IBM protocols If you're really interested, all of this is exhaustively documented under the umbrella of Cisco's "IBM Feature Set". Thank you Ken. That's the type of information I'm wanting to figure out. There's a *lot* here

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 2/20/19 4:24 PM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: I have the 2513 now. I'm new to Cisco router commands and configuration. If you could give me a crash course on the commands that would display the parts of the configuration that would settle things for your curiosity, I'll see what it has.

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 2/18/19 1:20 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: So the 3174 does not do this. 3270 terminals don't talk SNA/3270 to the 3174 as defined in the IBM 3270 data streams. They are usually pretty dumb and from what I can gather all keystrokes go to the 3174 just as for an ASCII terminal. It only bec

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
> Ability to read MFM data with FM headers (RX50) On 2/20/19 3:40 PM, Warner Losh wrote: The RX50's are MFM encoded. There's no FM anything on it, unless it's that way on all MFM diskettes. Other DEC diskettes may have done this, but RX50's are just higher track density, but old pre IBM-AT dat

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 2/20/19 3:40 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > The RX50's are MFM encoded. There's no FM anything on it, unless it's > that way on all MFM diskettes. > > Other DEC diskettes may have done this, but RX50's are just higher track > density, but old pre IBM-AT data encoding rate diskettes. > > At least on

VCF Midwest 14: Date Announcement

2019-02-20 Thread Jason T via cctalk
Hello everyone - since people have already been asking (we even had someone call the hotel to try to register - that's some refreshing pro-activeness), we can confirm the date of this year's Vintage Computer Festival Midwest will be: September 14-15, 2019 2019 will bring a NEW LOCATION which will

TI Explorer Lisp machine tapes

2019-02-20 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
http://bitsavers.org/bits/TI/Explorer/cartridge_tapes the 2.6.0 diag 6.0 bootable and 6.0 patches are probably the most interesting has there been ANY posts about the Explorer simulator in the last decade? I've also not verified any of them are what the label says I ran into a couple that wer

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Kevin Monceaux via cctalk once stated: > Grant, > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:36:11PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > > If the 2513 you have is the one that was used for this, I'd love to see > > the config, if it's still on there. That would very lik

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:38 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2/19/19 2:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > Ability to read MFM data with FM headers (RX50) > > It's not that simple. There's the matter of "DEC MFM" which encodes a > few bit patterns differently

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Kevin Monceaux via cctalk
Grant, On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:36:11PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > If the 2513 you have is the one that was used for this, I'd love to see > the config, if it's still on there. That would very likely settle > things for my curiosity. I have the 2513 now. I'm new to Cisco rout

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2/19/2019 2:14 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: This message brought to you by the Totalitarian Touch Tone Terrorists(tm). g. How ever SMART PHONES have taken OVER. AI's rule the world. Evil computer laugh!

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
> FDDI didn't live all that long because 100 Mb Ethernet replaced it, but while > it was out there it made a fine backbone for Ethernet-based LANs. And a good sized chunk of the Internet ran over it for a good long while. Also pretty bullet proof. -- Will

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Ken Seefried via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:23 PM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Ken Seefried via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > ... > > You can bridge between TR (and FDDI) and ethernet on a Cisco, > > generally for non-routable protocols (e.g. NetBIOS); see: > > 'translational bridging'.

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
On 2/20/19 1:25 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 2:24 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Theoretically, the SIMH emulated RA81 and the CMD emulated real disk RA81 should be the same size because they are both supposed to be RA81's. I spent the time to get set up and v

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 2:24 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > Theoretically, the SIMH emulated RA81 and the CMD emulated real > disk RA81 should be the same size because they are both supposed > to be RA81's. I spent the time to get set up and verified that this assumption is not correct.

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Ken Seefried via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > You can bridge between TR (and FDDI) and ethernet on a Cisco, > generally for non-routable protocols (e.g. NetBIOS); see: > 'translational bridging'. If you're trying to get these protocols > across an intermediary 'al

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > No, that's not what the symptoms say. If you were dealing with geometry > confusion, you'd fail much earlier. For example, if you were to take a RSTS > system built on an RP06, and image-copied it to an RM05, it woul

RE: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Ken Seefried via cctalk
re: Cisco and IBM protocols If you're really interested, all of this is exhaustively documented under the umbrella of Cisco's "IBM Feature Set". There's a *lot* here under the hood, but the last time I looked (admittedly, a while) a number of folks had web sites that documented the correct incant

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:21 AM Glen Slick via cctalk > wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:57 AM Charles Anthony via cctalk >> wrote: >>> >>> However, in the original posters case, the SIMH disk image is being >> co

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
lots  of  piles  of  phones... some  areas  a  real  mess... this  guy  gets the hoarder  award  for   wooden  phone  cascaras back  when  the payphone  biz  went  privatized and legal  also   that  way    Ron had  conversion kits...  he  did  well in the     make  your  kitchen into a  country

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Charles Anthony via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:21 AM Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:57 AM Charles Anthony via cctalk > wrote: > > > > However, in the original posters case, the SIMH disk image is being > copied > > to the RA81 drive without the benefit of the MSCP controller (if I > > under

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

2019-02-20 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 2/19/19 7:39 PM, Jim Stefanik via cctalk wrote: > Well, it turns out my floppies are for *3274* rather than 3174.  But, > that said, if anyone needs any of them, let me know: just shipping cost. I can use them. I ended up with one w/o media

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
So...how 'bout them phones? (hint, hint) Does anyone know if they have any CO stuff? (only a tiny, tiny fraction of telephone collectors care, even a tiny bit, about CO stuff) -- Will

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread Eric Korpela via cctalk
If a company (or its owners if not shielded from liability) has any assets in the EU they can be seized (up to 4% of the company's total value) for violating GDPR. Apparently, Lee Enterprises has assets in Europe, and doesn't want to spend the non-trivial time, effort and expense (or lost revenue)

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Charles Anthony > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 5:38 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > > You're misinterpreting "spare". MSCP exposes the user address space as > contiguous LBAs, for which it uses 51 sectors per track. The spare sector is > used to do

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Grant Taylor > I agree with your logic. > However your valid logic Anyone who thinks logic starting from common sense has anything to do with the workings of legal systems is likely in for a rude awakening at some point. Noel

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 18:08, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote: > > Don't forget hard sector CompuColor II, GCR, and variable speed GCR. :) Well, yes, OK, but one step at a time. Step 1: a generic USB floppy controller that allows 5¼" and 8" (and other standard Shugart-interface) FDDs to be attac

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:16, geneb via cctalk wrote: > Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a > US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or > marketing directly to EU citizens. This could be but it's quite a widespread problem. E.g. If I

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
That was meant to say... Or: https://www.chicagotribune.com/ -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:57 AM Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > > However, in the original posters case, the SIMH disk image is being copied > to the RA81 drive without the benefit of the MSCP controller (if I > understand correctly). This would lead to track misalignment and could > result in

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Eric Korpela via cctalk
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:39 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2/19/19 3:40 PM, William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote: > > A design that can manage Ohio Scientific as well would be nice. > > Might as well add Victor 9000... > Don't forget hard sector CompuColor II, GCR,

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Charles Anthony via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 5:38 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > > You're misinterpreting "spare". MSCP exposes the user address space as > contiguous LBAs, for which it uses 51 sectors per track. The spare sector > is used to do bad sector replacement. That is invisible to users, it > doesn't affect th

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread W2HX via cctalk
I found this link from forbes on this issue. Apologies in advance as this site has lots of ads on it, but it is forbes.com https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2017/12/04/yes-the-gdpr-will-affect-your-u-s-based-business/#4fb0c03d6ff2 From: cctal

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to apply to them.  However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, I don't see how the law could apply. I agree with your l

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: >> They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to >> apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, >> I don't see how the law could

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote: They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to apply to them.  However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU, I don't see how the law could apply. I agree with your logic. However your valid logic is contrary to my unde

Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner

2019-02-20 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 02/19/2019 01:17 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: I'd be very interested in how that would be possible. I don't know. But I do know that there are a lot of companies here in the US that are filtering their website like this. They may have

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 19, 2019, at 11:55 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 1:20 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: >> >> I have a CQD=220A/MT configured for 6 disks and one tape. >> As for disk types, you can toggle RA ON or OFF on each drive. >> You can specify one RA t

Re: PDP-11 disk image question

2019-02-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 19, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Charles Anthony > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:14 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > ... >> So indeed the correct sector count is 51 (the other one is a spare, a >> technique used by DEC as far back as the RM80). >> > > I am concerned that the spare

Re: HDDs (Was: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-02-20 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 22:00, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Yes. > I was thinking in terms of slightly older drives than that, particularly > 5.25" > Getting at the slider on newer drives wouldn't be practical. Probably not. I suspect that ITRO 90+ % of the people I work with have never seen a

Re: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
Hello folks, I'm coming into this a bit late but a bloke called David Given is working on such a floppy controller right now, it's called Fluxengine and is based around a Cypress microcontroller that connects directly to a floppy drive and is driven by USB. Early days as yet in that it supports IB

RE: Ultimate FDC? (Was: IBM 6360 - Filesystem(ish) info?

2019-02-20 Thread Ali via cctalk
> By the time that I got out (for other reasons), XenoCopy had not been > profitable for a while. THAT handled files, but the user still had to > deal in other ways with modifications that they needed to the content > of > the files. True, but at that point that is the user's problem. The idea