RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]

2016-10-19 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:51:06PM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > I’m especially interested in accumulating good RL02 packs. I’m even > working on a project to add a USB interface to one of my RL02 drives > for imaging and writing packs. > I have more RL01 and RL02 packs than I need, some sti

Re: Museum thoughts?

2016-10-19 Thread Adrian Stoness
apointments and a digital presseance!!! On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:05 PM, wrote: > > > Hi Mouse - > > running a museum project is fun but also a lot of work. > > here is a little framework to think about and discuss Ed# at SMECC . >

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Dennis Boone
> Yes, I have those, thanks; those are the 1-block programs I mentioned > to Warren: > One can't actually boot V6 Unix directly from a V6 distribution tape, > all one can do is copy the disk images from the tape to the disk; one > then boots from the disk. (Although now that I look, there is

Re: Museum thoughts?

2016-10-19 Thread Ian S. King
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:05 PM, wrote: > Hi Mouse - > running a museum project is fun but also a lot of work. > here is a little framework to think about and discuss Ed# at SMECC . > > - SPACE > you rent or buy a building ( !) > or... > place displays in other's premises (can work

Re: MFM floppy and HD emulator DREM

2016-10-19 Thread Peter Cetinski
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Peter Cetinski wrote: > > Yes, I'm currently in the process of getting the DREM working with a Tandy > 6000 and Xenix. I can format and I can do MFM reads but I am currently > having an issue with CRC checks during writes which are failing for the > Tandy's WD

Re: Museum thoughts?

2016-10-19 Thread COURYHOUSE
Hi Mouse - running a museum project is fun but also a lot of work. here is a little framework to think about and discuss Ed# at SMECC . - SPACE you rent or buy a building ( !) or... place displays in other's premises (can work if they protct your gear) - INSURANCE (property,

Museum thoughts?

2016-10-19 Thread Mouse
There's someone local who's seen my assortment of computer hardware twice and has, each time, told me I should set up a museum. This is tempting, but I don't know the first thing about doing it. About all I'm sure of is that it would involve a lot of stuff I currently have no idea of. I know that

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> Here are some notes I made a while back, when I looked at it: > ... > Block 2-xx - gubbish, apparently inodes, code, etc? So I just realized something's incomplete here. There's an intermediate stage (loading 'xxyy', where 'xx' is "tm" or "ht", and 'yy' is "rk", "rp" or "hp"). Thos

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Warren Toomey > This doc: .. describes a way to install from tape, but it seems like it > does a block copy of a tape image to the disk. Yup, that's the standard V6 install from tape. It uses the two programs I mentioned in the last message; first mboot (which produces the '='

Re: Unsticking a Seagate ST-419 head

2016-10-19 Thread william degnan
On Oct 19, 2016 9:25 PM, "Alexandre Souza" wrote: > > A good bang in the side with the heavy side of a screwdriver uses to work > flawlessly ;) (sometimes 2 or 3 bangs :D ) > > > 2016-10-19 23:20 GMT-02:00 Al Kossow : > > > I have a couple of drives I would really like to recover the data from. >

Re: Unsticking a Seagate ST-419 head

2016-10-19 Thread Alexandre Souza
A good bang in the side with the heavy side of a screwdriver uses to work flawlessly ;) (sometimes 2 or 3 bangs :D ) 2016-10-19 23:20 GMT-02:00 Al Kossow : > I have a couple of drives I would really like to recover the data from. > On one of the two I've tried so far, the lowest head in the stac

Unsticking a Seagate ST-419 head

2016-10-19 Thread Al Kossow
I have a couple of drives I would really like to recover the data from. On one of the two I've tried so far, the lowest head in the stack is really stuck on. Has anyone successfully unstuck a head from this era. I've tried the obvious things (gentle rotation in both axis, heating the platters) bu

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Warren Toomey
All, I had a look at the docs on V6 Unix. This doc: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/doc/start/start describes a way to install from tape, but it seems like it does a block copy of a tape image to the disk. Also, in http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Ken_

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> ... but I would have thought >> either TU58 or 9-track would have been a more likely software delivery >> mechanism for a VAX-11/730 back in the day. > > Indeed (or RL02... that was a valid distribution medium choice, > especially since mos

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Antonio Carlini wrote: > On 19/10/16 01:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might >> interest me. >> > I know that there was a Unibus TK50 interface TUK50 - M7547. Very rare (not many people really wanted to

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Mike Loewen
I've long since lost track of the OP for this thread, but I could use a few TK70 scratch tapes. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

Re: 2020 Power consumption

2016-10-19 Thread Mike Ross
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Rich Alderson wrote: > From: Mike Ross > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:39 AM > >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > >>> Somewhat related, how much power does a 2020 draw on average? > >> Bye some enormous coincidence I was just lookin

Re: 2020 Power consumption [Was: Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)]

2016-10-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > > In the US, the 2020 was sold with a NEMA 5-20P plug, so 120V at less than > 20A, Less than 16, in fact. NEC requires branch circuits to be loaded to at most 80% of the circuit breaker setting, so 16 amps on a "20 amp" circuit. pau

Re: 2020 Power consumption [Was: Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)]

2016-10-19 Thread Eric Smith
In the US, the 2020 was sold with a NEMA 5-20P plug, so 120V at less than 20A, but likely more than 15A for a maximum configuration. Of course, that's only for the actual 2020 box, and does not include disk and tape drives, terminals, printers, card readers or punches, etc.

RE: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)

2016-10-19 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Noel Chiappa Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:49 AM >> From: Rich Alderson >> Yes, the d/r card is strictly level conversion, and the microcode in >> the Xilinx does all the Massbus protocol. > So if you don't mind continuing to indulge my curiousity (thanks for all > the indulgence so

RE: 2020 Power consumption

2016-10-19 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Mike Ross Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:39 AM > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: >> Somewhat related, how much power does a 2020 draw on average? > Bye some enormous coincidence I was just looking through some DEC > pdp-10 brochures I have. > DEC advertised t

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:25 , Antonio Carlini wrote: > > On 19/10/16 01:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might >> interest me. >> > I know that there was a Unibus TK50 interface but I would have thought either > TU58 or 9-track would ha

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Al Kossow
On 10/19/16 10:29 AM, Antonio Carlini wrote: > On 19/10/16 08:46, Mark Wickens wrote: >> >From a preservation perspective the best option would be to list the tape >> labels. I have a friend with an extensive backup collection not yet on >> bitsavers who could identify if anything I'd unique. You

Re: Xerox Alto restoration, part 10

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Liam Proven > It boots, and with a borrowed mouse, GUI apps work There was a new blog post which I don't think was mentioned here yet: http://www.righto.com/2016/10/restoring-ycs-xerox-alto-day-10-new.html but it doesn't cover the borrowed mouse; does cover getting the CPU 1

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Glen Slick
I have the following 12 TK50 tape cartridges with original DEC labels on them: AQ-FP13C-BN MICROVMS V4.4 FULL BIN TK50 (2 copies) AQ-FY80B-BN MICROVMS V4.4 BIN TK50 MANDATORY UPDATE (2 copies) AQ-FP15C-BN MICROVMS V4.4 NET END/N TK50 AQ-JP22F-BE VMS V5.4 BIN TK50 1/2 AQ-LC99C-BE VMS V5.4 BIN TK50

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 19/10/16 08:46, Mark Wickens wrote: >From a preservation perspective the best option would be to list the tape labels. I have a friend with an extensive backup collection not yet on bitsavers who could identify if anything I'd unique. You might find there are only a couple not yet archived. T

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 19/10/16 01:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might interest me. I know that there was a Unibus TK50 interface but I would have thought either TU58 or 9-track would have been a more likely software delivery mechanism for a VAX-11/730 ba

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 18/10/16 16:38, Adrian Graham wrote: Hi Thomas, Have you got an install media set for VAX Dibol 4.2? Someone here was looking for a copy a few weeks ago. Wasn't it ALL-IN-1? Antonio -- Antonio Carlini arcarl...@iee.org

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Antonio Carlini
On 18/10/16 16:32, Thomas Dzubin wrote: But, I also have two big rubbermade containers (about half a cubic meter) filled with TK50 and TK70 tapes which I have never used. Some are blank, some are the boot & install media for VMS 5.5, some are software installations, etc. etc. In the past 25 ye

Re: Xerox Alto restoration, part 10

2016-10-19 Thread Adrian Stoness
Saw the latest episode within hrs of it being posted :D then started exploring the other videos that guys got some cool toys wi I've had people coming to me asking if I had seen these videos yet here in Winnipeg that I would.least of expected to know about this project pritty cool ;) tdk on IRC

Xerox Alto restoration, part 10

2016-10-19 Thread Liam Proven
It boots, and with a borrowed mouse, GUI apps work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMp5EAq-Elo -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven Skype/MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven Cell/M

Re: Photos from the NWA Auction

2016-10-19 Thread Cory Heisterkamp
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jason T wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Ben Sinclair wrote: > > Great photos! I'm curious as to how long ago this equipment was in > > operation. The photos here and on the auction site almost looked like > > someone just got up and walked away, at leas

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Dennis Boone > The sources for the V6 versions of the tmrk et al programs seem to be > here: Yes, I have those, thanks; those are the 1-block programs I mentioned to Warren: >> The only V6 boot mechanisms are 1-block programs that go into block 0 >> of device 0 and wh

Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Rich Alderson > Yes, the d/r card is strictly level conversion, and the microcode in > the Xilinx does all the Massbus protocol. So if you don't mind continuing to indulge my curiousity (thanks for all the indulgence so far :-), is the D/R card a daughtercard that mounts on th

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Dennis Boone
> > I know I made it work and booted V6 on my 11/34. > I'll start with getting VTServer to run under V6 (my only Unix, don't > have anything later :-), so if you turn up whatever you used to boot > V6, it would probably still be useful. The sources for the V6 versions of the tmrk et al progra

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Warren Toomey wkt at tuhs.org > To load V6, you need to build a virtual tape which replicates the V6 > tape. Err, there's the problem. The V6 boot tape consists of 3 'dd' images of RK05 V6 file systems (one each root, source, and doc), with a 'boot block' on the tape which ca

Re: 2020 Power consumption [Was: Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)]

2016-10-19 Thread Mike Ross
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 06:26:06PM +, Rich Alderson wrote: >> >> There have been 2 generations of Massbus Disk Emulator (MDE) at LCM. The >> one of which people have seen pictures was the first generation, created >> when there were on

Re: MFM floppy and HD emulator DREM

2016-10-19 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:27 PM, David Gesswein wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 01:38:19PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: >> >> Yes, that?s me but I have had issues with the emulator starting up >> reliably so that the 3174 boots. >> > I haven't had any recent reports of this problem. If you

Re: FS (cost of shipping): AS/400 8-port twinax concentrator/adapter cables

2016-10-19 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:34:50PM -0400, J wrote: > I have two IBM 21F5093 AS/400 8-port twinax to DB25 adapters with clip > mounts. Maybe! I've been on the lookout for a 72X5645 which is a 4-port twinax break out box. I supposedly need it for my AS/400 9406-170. (I have the pig-tail and termin

Re: MFM floppy and HD emulator DREM

2016-10-19 Thread David Gesswein
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 02:32:31PM -0400, Mike Stein wrote: > No experience myself, but FWIW several Cromemco owners have used David's > unit successfully with Cromemco's non-standard whole-track-at-a-time > controller and have said good things about his willingness to work > with non-standard f

Re: MFM floppy and HD emulator DREM

2016-10-19 Thread David Gesswein
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 01:38:19PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > Yes, that?s me but I have had issues with the emulator starting up > reliably so that the 3174 boots. > I haven't had any recent reports of this problem. If you wish assistance with it let me know.

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might interest me. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?

2016-10-19 Thread Mark Wickens
>From a preservation perspective the best option would be to list the tape labels. I have a friend with an extensive backup collection not yet on bitsavers who could identify if anything I'd unique. You might find there are only a couple not yet archived. Thanks Mark On 19 Oct 2016 01:48, "Adrian

Re: 2020 Power consumption [Was: Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)]

2016-10-19 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 02:08:37AM -0500, Paul Anderson wrote: > That should be in the site prep documents, or the installing documentation. Certainly, I think I've even looked it up. But I was curious if LCM has measured their specific configuration. /P

Re: 2020 Power consumption [Was: Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)]

2016-10-19 Thread Paul Anderson
That should be in the site prep documents, or the installing documentation. On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 06:26:06PM +, Rich Alderson wrote: > > > > There have been 2 generations of Massbus Disk Emulator (MDE) at LCM. The > > one of which