archive.org almost has some info:
http://web.archive.org/web/19990908232518/http://www.setasi.com/DECPP.html
It's a "Super Cache". Perhaps you could track down someone from Setasi?
See the mention here:
ftp://ftp.dbit.com/pub/pdp11/faq/faq.pages/vendors.html
/P
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 02:40:1
Not sure why you have VARCHARs for primary keys, why not use the conventional
auto-increment int so you can dispense with
the LastGeneratedArtifactID table.
CREATE TABLE Manual_Artifact
(
ArtifactID INT(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
. . . other fields . . .
CONSTRAINT Artif
Ah, so these are the vintagetech.com machines! Please take lots of pics of
the DPS-8 inside and out; I've never really seen the innards of a Honeywell
machine before and I'm kind of curious what their "style" looks like.
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Dave G4UGM wrote:
> Many yea
Any easy way to post pics of the top side of both boards? I can't
definitively ID them but we should be able to make a good guess as to
what's actually on there looking at all the major ICs...
Did you just buy this? :O
http://vintagetech.com/sales/Big%20Iron/PDP%2011-44/Information
Best,
Sean
Looks like an add on or daughter board.
Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On Sep 23, 2015 11:53 PM, "Adrian Stoness" wrote:
> heathkit?
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
>
> > That's odd.
> >
> > I can't say for sure but... it has the feel of something that m
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
> An int just has to be able to store numbers of a certain magnitude.
> Same with long. You do have to be able to convert between longs (and
> possibly ints) and addresses (*). So, you make an int 5 digits (which
> matches the natural length of
heathkit?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
> That's odd.
>
> I can't say for sure but... it has the feel of something that might
> have belonged in a terminal or keyboard... character generator or
> something... stab in the dark really.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05
That's odd.
I can't say for sure but... it has the feel of something that might
have belonged in a terminal or keyboard... character generator or
something... stab in the dark really.
Mike
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> 68xx system, unusual (in my experience) 40-pin
> sing
On 09/23/2015 05:54 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
...
The C macro facility barely qualifies as such. PL/I had a wonderful
preprocessor;
That depends on the compiler.
Well, IBM did have a real PL/I compiler (after all, they invented the
stuff)--a
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
>
> On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:42 PM, steve shumaker wrote:
>
> > One legend that gets trotted out whenever you speak of WWMMCCS is the
> cookie monster that was on terminals in the Pentagon installation of
> WWMMCCS. As the legend goes, at random
On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:42 PM, steve shumaker wrote:
> On 9/23/2015 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
>> Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
>> workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
>> (a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index
On 9/23/2015 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this wee
68xx system, unusual (in my experience) 40-pin
single row header bus.
Anyone recognize it?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jRSv5KbuziQ/VgNYaQ5j1gI/AXY/A5k2n04KROo/s720-Ic42/Mystery68xx.JPG
* Ali [150921 17:24]:
> Well,
>
> In case anyone is still interested the desk arrived on Friday. The seller
> did a very good job of packing it and it arrived in tact. Thanks to everyone
> for their input, tips, and bits of wisdom. BTW: If anyone is interested you
> can check out some quick pictu
I've got some here. Let me find it later tonight or tomorrow and I'll
contact you off list.
Paul
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
> The 11/44 I acquired recently has a complete CPU set but no FP11-F board
> (M7093). I'd like to be able to run 2.11BSD (or other UNIX) on this
The 11/44 I acquired recently has a complete CPU set but no FP11-F board
(M7093). I'd like to be able to run 2.11BSD (or other UNIX) on this
machine, so having floating point hardware is pretty essential -- anyone
have one going spare for sale/trade?
Thanks as always,
Josh
there was a nightmare!
In a message dated 9/23/2015 6:20:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
heal...@aracnet.com writes:
Sam Ismail used to have a DPS-6, if not more than one
Sam Ismail used to have a DPS-6, if not more than one, but I don't think he was
ever able to do anything with it. Does it have GCOS-6 installed?
I worked on DPS-8's and GCOS-8 a lifetime ago. I did a little with GCOS-6,
mainly assisting with moving operations from DPS-6 Mini's over to HP 9000
> On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> ...
> The C macro facility barely qualifies as such. PL/I had a wonderful
> preprocessor;
That depends on the compiler. I remember the PL/C compiler (from Cornell,
running on IBM 370s). In graduate school, we were forced to use it beca
FYI, I've thrown up a couple of (cell phone) photos of the SC44 boards here:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/sc44/
I'll have the machine home in a few days and I'll be able to take better
pictures then...
- Josh
On 9/23/15 2:40 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Hi all --
I just added a PDP-11/44 t
On 2015-09-24 01:15, Antonio Carlini wrote:
On 21/09/15 14:15, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: tony duell
> In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code
program
> that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton
sets.
I have this bit set that I was told
On 09/23/2015 04:29 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
Shades of SIL for SNOBOL and also STAGE2.
The first time I did this was for translating COBOL to a special-purpose
dialect. Not a simple lexical task--it was a full-blown two-pass affair.
The initial test versions of the thing were very, very slow.
On 21/09/15 01:55, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
I used the above example when I created a CD which had files to be used
with RT-11 in addition to being a normal CD under Windows. I found that
for a normal CD under Windows, sectors 0 to 15 (hard disk blocks 0 to 63)
on the CD were empty. I don't know
On 9/23/2015 6:24 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/23/2015 02:27 PM, ben wrote:
>
>> The 60's idea that MACROS could do that seems to have faded away.
>> Ben.
>
> It depends. One very handy method is to devise a machine architecture,
> complete with registers and opcodes, and write the applicatio
On 09/23/2015 02:27 PM, ben wrote:
The 60's idea that MACROS could do that seems to have faded away.
Ben.
It depends. One very handy method is to devise a machine architecture,
complete with registers and opcodes, and write the application code in
macros, creating instruction words--and the
On 21/09/15 14:15, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: tony duell
> In some cases it should be possible to write a machine code program
> that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets.
I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_
vague) t
On 9/23/2015 4:27 PM, ben wrote:
> On 9/23/2015 2:39 AM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
>>> From: "Chuck Guzis"
>>
>> …
>>> After all, languages are supposed to expose features
>>> of the underlying machine to the programmer.
>>
>> Many believe that the purpose of languages is to HIDE (abstract) the
>> underly
On 9/23/2015 2:06 PM, m...@markesystems.com wrote:
>> So, I am looking to convert my old Access database I have used for many
>> years to a MySQL database, with the expectation that I will eventually
>> publish it on a web page for public lookup.
>
> I don't know what you're looking at for the fro
Many years ago we used them as Data Entry machines, but I have no documents and
have forgotten everything I knew.
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Josh
> Dersch
> Sent: 23 September 2015 22:45
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and O
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's
Hi all --
I just added a PDP-11/44 to my collection and it appears to have some
manner of cache upgrade; it's made by Digital Data Systems (DDS) and
consists of two cards, one hex-height labeled "SC44 SETASI" (in the place
of the normal 11/44 cache board) and a second quad-height labeled "1051" at
On 9/23/2015 2:39 AM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
From: "Chuck Guzis"
…
After all, languages are supposed to expose features
of the underlying machine to the programmer.
Many believe that the purpose of languages is to HIDE (abstract) the underlying
machine.
The 60's idea that MACROS could do that s
If anyone cares a draft data model is visible at:
http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/misc/manualmodel.pdf
(It may change as I work on the design).
Biggest change from earlier discussions: I found no reason not to merge
the manuals/artifacts relationship table into the artifact tab
At NCAR there was a structured Fortran preprocessor named IFTRAN that was in
use for a long time. The earlier versions of the NCAR Local Network (NLNET),
later renamed MASnet (Mainframe and Server network), as well as a variety of
graphics packages were written in it. I still have the IFTRAN t
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:
What is the part number of the dead power supply you gave up on?
>
It's the H7864 (Astec aa12130) in the BA23 enclosure.
It powered up a few times, but now only the switch light comes on. If I
remember, it wouldn't power up with just the cp
see if mother in law can bag it! they are rather pricey now! heh
heh!
In a message dated 9/23/2015 1:54:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cu...@charter.net writes:
On 9/23/2015 2:34 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> I really believe a person would make an entire interesting
Ok have digicomp...
then there were the arrray of analog computers with potentiometers
and a meter
In a message dated 9/23/2015 1:54:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cu...@charter.net writes:
On 9/23/2015 2:34 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> I really believe a person wou
On 9/23/2015 2:34 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> I really believe a person would make an entire interesting
> collection of just logic trainers!
>
> we have a couple of the MINIVAC trainers too one I keep under
> glass and the other I take out for show and tell.
>
My mother
On 9/23/2015 1:45 PM, m...@markesystems.com wrote:
>> There were plenty of assemblers around, some even native. Heck, I wrote
>> both an 8008 and an 8080 cross-assembler (in FORTRAN, naturally). It's
>> not rocket science. One friend of mine wrote his assembler as macros
>> for a mainframe assem
So, I am looking to convert my old Access database I have used for many
years to a MySQL database, with the expectation that I will eventually
publish it on a web page for public lookup.
I don't know what you're looking at for the front end of this project, but
have you considered SQLite for th
There were plenty of assemblers around, some even native. Heck, I wrote
both an 8008 and an 8080 cross-assembler (in FORTRAN, naturally). It's
not rocket science. One friend of mine wrote his assembler as macros
for a mainframe assembler. That, at once, gave him all of the advanced
facilities
I really believe a person would make an entire interesting
collection of just logic trainers!
we have a couple of the MINIVAC trainers too one I keep under glass
and the other I take out for show and tell.
We have a fabritek and a few other later ones too.
In a
> I don't remember which model mine is, but here are some links:
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-3345sl-cordless-phone-with-caller-id-
> call-waiting/specs/
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-3460-cordless-phone-with-caller-id-
> call-waiting/
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-900sp-co
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
> >> From: Toby Thain
> >
> >> It did exist for some exotic, word addressed architectures
> >
> > {Innocent look}
> >
> > You mean, like the PDP-10?
> >
> > {Ducks!}
> >
> >Noel
>
> St
On 09/23/2015 10:21 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
From: Toby Thain
It did exist for some exotic, word addressed architectures
{Innocent look}
You mean, like the PDP-10?
{Ducks!}
Noel
Strangest C I saw was on a DPS-8 mainframe running GCOS-8
On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> From: Toby Thain
>
>> It did exist for some exotic, word addressed architectures
>
> {Innocent look}
>
> You mean, like the PDP-10?
>
> {Ducks!}
>
>Noel
Strangest C I saw was on a DPS-8 mainframe running GCOS-8.
Zane
On 9/23/2015 11:17 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 09/23/2015 03:39 AM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
>>> From: "Chuck Guzis"
>> …
>>> After all, languages are supposed to expose features
>>> of the underlying machine to the programmer.
>> Many believe that the purpose of languages is to HIDE (abstract) the
>> unde
On 9/23/2015 11:28 AM, couryhouse wrote:
> Wow! That is neat!
> Our Dec logic trainer has sort of 8i looking toggles and lots of patch
> cords... I had not seen one like yours. ... what is the date?
> Ed#
>
>
>
There is an earlier one of similar design, but blue colored, in the
1966-67, 1967 an
On 2015-09-23 12:25 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Toby Thain
> It did exist for some exotic, word addressed architectures
{Innocent look}
You mean, like the PDP-10?
Chris Torek mentioned Data General. Typical post:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/8HosoTwHEBM/BPXX_4yvR
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:28 AM, couryhouse wrote:
>
>
> Wow! That is neat!Our Dec logic trainer has sort of 8i looking toggles and
> lots of patch cords... I had not seen one like yours. ... what is the
> date?Ed#
>
>
I'm pretty sure I saw one of those circa 1970.
It was a logic trainer, I'm pr
Wow! That is neat!Our Dec logic trainer has sort of 8i looking toggles and lots
of patch cords... I had not seen one like yours. ... what is the date?Ed#
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
Original message
From: Jay Jaeger
Date: 09/23/2015 6:21 AM (GMT-0
> From: Toby Thain
> It did exist for some exotic, word addressed architectures
{Innocent look}
You mean, like the PDP-10?
{Ducks!}
Noel
On 09/23/2015 01:39 AM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
From: "Chuck Guzis"
…
After all, languages are supposed to expose features of the
underlying machine to the programmer.
Many believe that the purpose of languages is to HIDE (abstract) the
underlying machine.
And I take your point. At least on sup
On 09/22/2015 08:49 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/22/2015 06:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
So, B was never actually a FORTRAN compiler, just Ken
started
thinking about FORTRAN grammar and within one DAY took
off in a
different direction. By that time (1969 or so) FORTRAN
was a really
old language,
On 09/23/2015 03:39 AM, ANDY HOLT wrote:
From: "Chuck Guzis"
…
After all, languages are supposed to expose features
of the underlying machine to the programmer.
Many believe that the purpose of languages is to HIDE (abstract) the underlying
machine.
Well, as far as I know, the 1401 series do
> As far as I can remember, the C standard still do not require that
> the computer uses two complement.
No, but unsigned integer types have to work as if it did. Signed
integer types may use two's complement, one's complement, or even
sign/magnitude, but nothing else; for example, implementing s
On 2015-09-23 16:43, Paul Koning wrote:
On Sep 23, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
On 9/23/2015 9:10 AM, Mouse wrote:
I am 100% certain, for example, that it would be possible to come up
with a C compiler for a 40K IBM 1410, which is in the set you
describe.
Possible? Sure. But it w
On 2015-09-22 10:25 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 09/22/2015 07:11 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
There is a big difference between "can run" and "does run". I'd
wager that C *can* run on anything one could use for any reasonably
useful FORTRAN (thus excluding things like the IBM 1410 card oriented
FORTRAN
> On Sep 23, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>
> On 9/23/2015 9:10 AM, Mouse wrote:
>>> I am 100% certain, for example, that it would be possible to come up
>>> with a C compiler for a 40K IBM 1410, which is in the set you
>>> describe.
>>
>> Possible? Sure. But it would be difficult; yo
On 2015-09-23 16:30, Jay Jaeger wrote:
It might not be ANSI C (any more than FORTRAN II is FORTRAN IV or BDS C
was ANSI C), but one could certainly come up with a decent, useful C for
such a machine.
Can we skip this thread. It seems you are arguing the point that any
machine can behave like a
On 9/23/2015 9:10 AM, Mouse wrote:
>> I am 100% certain, for example, that it would be possible to come up
>> with a C compiler for a 40K IBM 1410, which is in the set you
>> describe.
>
> Possible? Sure. But it would be difficult; you would need to simulate
> a binary machine - C has a whole bu
On 9/23/2015 1:38 AM, ste...@malikoff.com wrote:
> Instead of cooking up another completely custom inventory management schema,
> you might consider adhering to Dublin Core for some more modern
> schema conventions:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Core
Slightly more useful than MARC, but r
> I am 100% certain, for example, that it would be possible to come up
> with a C compiler for a 40K IBM 1410, which is in the set you
> describe.
Possible? Sure. But it would be difficult; you would need to simulate
a binary machine - C has a whole bunch of stuff that is defined to
operate "as
On 9/23/2015 1:23 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 09/22/2015 09:06 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>
>> That is just because they are so old that, aside from collectors or
>> those interested in a particular old machine, nobody ever *bothered*.
>> By the time C came along, those machines were well on their way
On 9/23/2015 3:58 AM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> Yes host was having hickups it seems.
>
> Take a look at the neat logic trainer by IBM at link below,
>
> Wish I had more info on this IBM tube type digital logic trainer
> kit. comes in a wonderful fitted case with al
Yes host was having hickups it seems.
Take a look at the neat logic trainer by IBM at link below,
Wish I had more info on this IBM tubetype digital logic trainer
kit. comes in a wonderful fitted case with all kinds of plugable
units see url
http://www.
> From: "Chuck Guzis"
…
> After all, languages are supposed to expose features
> of the underlying machine to the programmer.
Many believe that the purpose of languages is to HIDE (abstract) the underlying
machine.
BIKESHED ALERT! BIKESHED ALERT!!
On 23-09-15 08:38, ste...@malikoff.com wrote:
Instead of cooking up another completely custom inventory management schema,
you might consider adhering to Dublin Core for some more modern
schema conventions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Core
For the dbms
You are indeed lucky they ceased. Mine did not start until my 20s
It is definitely one thing that made sure I had my own business.
Many people in a supervisory position have no understanding of what it is
like.
Ed#
In a message dated 9/22/2015 10:10:22 P.M. US Mountain Stan
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