Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 11:55:10AM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > Turning this discussion on its head, I wonder if I'm the only one to > stash manuals and setup CDs in the cases of my systems. Has anyone > ever picked up an old system and found system documentation inside? > Not really inside bu

Re: This Hobby Is Actually Useful!

2015-08-02 Thread Mark J. Blair
Once I tried my first Metcal MX-500 series iron, I never went back. With proper tip selection and technique, the same pencil iron will work for anything from 0201 components to PL-259 connectors. And it heats up and stabilizes in under 30 seconds from a cold start after a tip swap. I've spent a

Re: diagnosing an Intel Series II MDS monitor failure

2015-08-02 Thread Eric Smith
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, dwight wrote: > Well, I had to look it up. The LAS723 comes with a 2.5V reference > and not a 7V. Cool! Thanks for the warning about it. Fortunately the Power-One supply I'm dealing with only uses normal 723s, but I'll have to bear that in mind when working on l

RE: diagnosing an Intel Series II MDS monitor failure

2015-08-02 Thread tony duell
> > I've never found a 723 datasheet that gives a different values for > > either reference. > > Nor have I > The one I had to replace on my Nicolet oscilloscope was made by > Lambda. I don't recall the reference voltage but I did have to change > the feedback resistors to get it to work. I se

RE: diagnosing an Intel Series II MDS monitor failure

2015-08-02 Thread dwight
Well, I had to look it up. The LAS723 comes with a 2.5V reference and not a 7V. Dwight

RE: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread tony duell
> > And some 1950s military radio manufacturers, who screen printed schematic > diagrams onto > cloth and stashed them inside the radios. The schematics were secured to the > inside of the > radio with a length of cloth ribbon, then folded up tightly and stuffed into > a metal tube > secured

RE: diagnosing an Intel Series II MDS monitor failure

2015-08-02 Thread dwight
> From: space...@gmail.com > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 5:52 PM, dwight wrote: > > There we two different reference voltages on 723s. I don't recall which > > was which but one had to change the feedback resistors if you used the > > wrong one. > > There's a reference with a built-in current sourc

Inverse Assembler for HP10343B SCSI Bus Preprocessor

2015-08-02 Thread Marc Verdiell
Anyone has the Inverse Assembly and Logic Analyzer setup files that should go with the HP 10343B SCSI bus pre-processor? Another one that I wasn't able to find online. Marc

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 19:10, William Donzelli wrote: > >> And some 1950s military radio manufacturers, who screen printed schematic >> diagrams onto cloth and stashed them inside the radios. > > If you are thinking about that early GRC stuff, that was silk! Oh wow, I thought it was something l

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/02/2015 07:08 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: And some 1950s military radio manufacturers, who screen printed schematic diagrams onto cloth and stashed them inside the radios. The schematics were secured to the inside of the radio with a length of cloth ribbon, then folded up tightly and stuffed

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread William Donzelli
> And some 1950s military radio manufacturers, who screen printed schematic > diagrams onto cloth and stashed them inside the radios. If you are thinking about that early GRC stuff, that was silk! -- Will

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 12:15, William Donzelli wrote: > >> Turning this discussion on its head, I wonder if I'm the only one to stash >> manuals and setup CDs in the cases of my systems. Has anyone ever picked up >> an old system and found system documentation inside? >> >> Just wondering if I'm

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Rod Smallwood
One of my first jobs at DEC was on terminal sales. The LA36 printing terminal had the logic and PSU cards mounted in the plinth. The logic card was on the back of the pull down door and the PSU inside. So easy to service it wasn't true. This compartment was quite roomy and inside fresh one

Re: This Hobby Is Actually Useful!

2015-08-02 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/02/2015 10:51 AM, Jochen Kunz wrote: Am 01.08.15 um 23:24 schrieb Robert Jarratt: PS A related question. I struggled somewhat with the Weller Magnastat No. 8 tip, when trying to solder leads to the ground plane, I could not get the solder to stay molten very long. Wellers are notorious fo

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Sean Caron
Oh! And if you're using the "boot cdrom" mnemonic, make sure that your CD-ROM is actually set to SCSI ID 6, otherwise you need to substitute in your boot path i.e. /iommu/sbus/espdma@4,840/esp@4,880/sd@{scsiid},0 Definitely check that! Best, Sean On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Michae

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Fred Cisin
Are SCSI ID numbers likely to be an issue? Which ones are most commonly used on SparcClassic?

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Alan Perry
I collect Sun lunchbox systems like the Classic. When I get the SCSI bus is hung message, I add or remove the SCSI terminator, depending on whether one is present and, in my experience, the problem usually goes away. alan On 8/1/15 8:14 PM, Sean Caron wrote: Never had a Classic but I've wra

Re: PDP-12 at the RICM (Michael Thompson)

2015-08-02 Thread william degnan
great news. hope for further success. On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Michael Thompson wrote: > With a lot of help from Dave Gesswein and Warren Stearns we were able to > get the MARK12 PDP-12 tape formatting program off a LINCtape and int paper > tape format. Running it showed that a diode on

Re: PDP-12 at the RICM (Michael Thompson)

2015-08-02 Thread COURYHOUSE
Congrats Michael! "This is the first time in 24 years that an OS has been run on this system." Ed# and crew at smecc.org In a message dated 8/2/2015 7:20:02 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, michael.99.thomp...@gmail.com writes: With a lot of help from Dave Gesswein and Warren S

Re: PDP-12 at the RICM (Michael Thompson)

2015-08-02 Thread Michael Thompson
With a lot of help from Dave Gesswein and Warren Stearns we were able to get the MARK12 PDP-12 tape formatting program off a LINCtape and int paper tape format. Running it showed that a diode on the field-0 core stack had failed during the week making memory in the range of 4000-5000 unusable. Fort

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread William Donzelli
> Turning this discussion on its head, I wonder if I'm the only one to stash > manuals and setup CDs in the cases of my systems. Has anyone ever picked up > an old system and found system documentation inside? > > Just wondering if I'm the exception... Just you and IBM. -- Will

RE: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread tony duell
> > Turning this discussion on its head, I wonder if I'm the only one to > stash manuals and setup CDs in the cases of my systems. Has anyone ever > picked up an old system and found system documentation inside? Some years back I rescued the logic box and keyboard of an IBM ASCII (!) terminal.

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/02/2015 11:41 AM, Rick Bensene wrote: A faded semi-nude 4x6 photo of a woman on a beach inside an IBM PC-XT that I found in a thrift shop many years ago. How or why it was in there is anyone's guess. Well, XT's weren't too good for pornography back then, I guess--so it was more of a mat

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Michael Thompson
> From: Benjamin Huntsman > Subject: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom > > Hi all! >I recently acquired a SPARCclassic, which is my first bit of Sun > hardware. Having an awful time getting it to boot from the CD-ROM. I have > tried a bunch of different terminators and several different cables,

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Rick Bensene
A faded semi-nude 4x6 photo of a woman on a beach inside an IBM PC-XT that I found in a thrift shop many years ago. How or why it was in there is anyone's guess. -Rick

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 07:05:35PM -0400, Vlad Stamate wrote: > > What other strange pieces did you find when you opened up classic computers? > A dead rodent inside an otherwise nice looking Norsk Data ND-500 A four inch crooked nail inside a LINC-8 It is really a good idea to peak inside a c

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Mouse
> Are SCSI ID numbers likely to be an issue? No. Possible, certainly, but I would not say likely. > Which ones are most commonly used on SparcClassic? Disk at 0, 1, 2, 3; tape at 4, 5; CD at 6; the Classic itself at 7. Those are what SunOS used, unless you reconfigured your kernel, and my wild

Re: This Hobby Is Actually Useful!

2015-08-02 Thread Jochen Kunz
Am 01.08.15 um 23:24 schrieb Robert Jarratt: > PS A related question. I struggled somewhat with the Weller Magnastat No. 8 > tip, when trying to solder leads to the ground plane, I could not get the > solder to stay molten very long. Wellers are notorious for this. I had to use various Weller irons

Re: This Hobby Is Actually Useful!

2015-08-02 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/01/2015 09:40 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/01/2015 07:05 PM, Jon Elson wrote: When repairing CPU motherboards with bad caps, this is a really big problem. I dilute the lead-free solder with leaded solder, this helps lower the melting point to where two soldering irons (one on each side

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread David Brownlee
On 2 August 2015 03:49:47 BST, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: >Hi all! >I recently acquired a SPARCclassic, which is my first bit of Sun >hardware. Having an awful time getting it to boot from the CD-ROM. I >have tried a bunch of different terminators and several different >cables, but whenever I try

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread jwsmobile
On 8/1/2015 7:49 PM, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: Hi all! I recently acquired a SPARCclassic, which is my_*first bit*_ of Sun hardware. Having an awful time getting it to boot from the CD-ROM. I have tried a bunch of different terminators and several different cables, but whenever I try t

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Jules Richardson
On 08/01/2015 09:49 PM, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: Hi all! I recently acquired a SPARCclassic, which is my first bit of Sun hardware. Having an awful time getting it to boot from the CD-ROM. I have tried a bunch of different terminators and several different cables, but whenever I try to boot I g

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Mouse
> I recently acquired a SPARCclassic, which is my first bit of Sun hardware. $ Please don't use paragraph-length lines. > ok boot cdrom -s > Boot device: /iommu/sbus/espdma@4,840/esp@4,880/sd@6,0:d File and > args: -s > The SCSI bus is hung. Perhaps an external device is turned off.

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Tom Moss
I'm British :) On 2 August 2015 at 13:04, Dave G4UGM wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tom > Moss > > Sent: 02 August 2015 12:49 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: Re: Unusual stuff

RE: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tom Moss > Sent: 02 August 2015 12:49 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Unusual stuff inside computers > > I once found a whole box worth of crayola crayons in a

Re: Unusual stuff inside computers

2015-08-02 Thread Tom Moss
I once found a whole box worth of crayola crayons in a 1541 disk drive. What amazes me is how nothing was blocked and they hadn't melted. On 2 August 2015 at 05:53, Mark J. Blair wrote: > By the way: I still keep the dollar with the computer. Just in case it's a > critical component, you know.

Re: diagnosing an Intel Series II MDS monitor failure

2015-08-02 Thread Jay jaeger
Sounds just like the supply on my Altos. What a pain. Eric Smith wrote: >I previously wrote about the monitor of my Intel Series II MDS going >out, which was because the +15V DC supply tripped the crowbar. The >voltage adjust was all the way to the minimum, and the voltage was >still about 17.4V

Re: Saved DEC kit

2015-08-02 Thread shadoooo
Hello Adrian, how are you? Maybe you still have the SDI disks aside for me? Any time to ship them to me? Thanks in advance! Andrea

Re: SPARCClassic won't boot cdrom

2015-08-02 Thread Sean Caron
Never had a Classic but I've wrangled plenty of other Sun workstations ... in general I have always found SCSI on Suns to be very easygoing ... you generally won't get SCSI errors unless something has gone grossly awry... I assume no internal disk? If so, definitely disconnect that and give it a sh