Re: [ccp4bb] high z-scores, negative LLG in Phaser

2009-09-18 Thread Randy Read
Dear Sean, What a negative LLG combined with a large Z-score usually means is that the answer is correct, but that the model doesn't predict the data as well as expected. One possible reason is that you told Phaser that the model is better than it really is (e.g. provided identity values

Re: [ccp4bb] high z-scores, negative LLG in Phaser

2009-09-17 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
maybe my message was a bit abrupt, what I meant was: - if it (auto)builds using the real sequence and refines, you are sure to have found the right solution. At 2.0 Angstrom this should only take a few hours. - if it doesn't, you may still have the right solution, but perhaps you made a mis

Re: [ccp4bb] high z-scores, negative LLG in Phaser

2009-09-17 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
try building (an autobuilding program like Arp-Warp comes to mind) and refining the structure, then you'll know that you've solved the structure for sure (or not). or, if you'll permit a tongue-in-cheek reply: stop bragging now, build and refine the structure, write the paper, publish it and

[ccp4bb] high z-scores, negative LLG in Phaser

2009-09-17 Thread Sean Gay
I have a 2.0A data set that I solved using an ensemble of 5 related structures in Phaser. My Z-scores for the solution are fantastic (RFZ= 28.7, TFZ=24.6), but my LLG is very negative (-698.2). The LLG increases by almost 800 (started at -1488.6) during the course of the run. The density for th