Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-16 Thread mjvdwoerd
esearch Building, Rm 310 4500 San Pablo Road Jacksonville, FL 32224 (904) 953-6372 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Bosch, Juergen Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:27 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for h

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-14 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
e, FL 32224 (904) 953-6372 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Bosch, Juergen Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:27 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal) This is a very interesting topic I ha

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-14 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
Thanks, these are great links! Evette On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:39 PM, "Andrew Purkiss-Trew" wrote: > Quoting Jacob Keller : > >>> >>> The expansion ratio of liquid to gaseous nitrogen is approximately 1:700, >>> that is, 1 liter of liquid becomes 700 liters of gas (at room temperature). >>> When

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Bosch, Juergen
arvesting crystals. Mark -Original Message- From: Jacob Keller mailto:j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu>> To: mjvdwoerd mailto:mjvdwo...@netscape.net>> Cc: CCP4BB mailto:CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk>> Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread mjvdwoerd
in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal) The expansion ratio of liquid to gaseous nitrogen is approximately 1:700, that is, 1 liter of liquid becomes 700 liters of gas (at room temperature). When you are in a room that is 3 (~10ft) meters tall, 6 (~18ft) meters wide and 10 (~30ft

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Andrew Purkiss-Trew
Quoting Jacob Keller : The expansion ratio of liquid to gaseous nitrogen is approximately 1:700, that is, 1 liter of liquid becomes 700 liters of gas (at room temperature). When you are in a room that is 3 (~10ft) meters tall, 6 (~18ft) meters wide and 10 (~30ft) meters long and you assume that

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Jacob Keller
-Original Message----- > From: Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D., Ph.D. > To: CCP4BB > Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 3:19 pm > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt > crystal) > > Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce &g

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread mjvdwoerd
rence materials about these things. -Original Message- From: Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D., Ph.D. To: CCP4BB Sent: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal) Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporatio

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
isky, > Evette S., Ph.D. [radisky.eve...@mayo.edu] > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:19 AM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt > crystal) > > Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporation.

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
Thanks much. It helps a lot. On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, "Henry Bellamy" wrote: > liquid N2 expands about 600 fold to RT gas. The minimum O2 concentration is > 19% (per OSHA I think) so if the amount of vaporized N2 is greater than 2% > of the cold room volume you could have a problem.

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D. wrote: > Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporation. I > used to do this also as a postdoc, but I worried whether I risked nitrogen > gas poisoning from liquid N2 boil-off, since the cold room did not seem ve

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Jacob Keller
You probably already know this, but nitrogen is not at all poisonous--about 78% of the air is nitrogen. I guess you were probably worried about asphyxiation? JPK On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D. < radisky.eve...@mayo.edu> wrote: > Several have mentioned harvesting

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporation. I used to do this also as a postdoc, but I worried whether I risked nitrogen gas poisoning from liquid N2 boil-off, since the cold room did not seem very well-ventilated. I've also hesitated to recommend it to trainees in m