Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-22 Thread Thomas Lütteke
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:13:40 -0700, tirumal wrote: > If you have a poor density (which I guess, generally is the case for large > glycoprotein structures) you have to depend on trial and error strategy to > get the right NAG conformation. I don't know how other refinement programs > handle th

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-22 Thread Kim Henrick
I am trying to resist answering ccp4bb ... but > Thanks to all who responded. 180 degrees flip of the problematic NAGs, > did help. If you have a poor density (which I guess, generally is the > case for large glycoprotein structures) you have to depend on trial > and error strategy to get the

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-22 Thread Klaus Piontek
has to definitely check the geometry of the NAGs carefully. Hope to see a validation tool for NAGs in Coot soon. Tirumal --- On Wed, 21/4/10, Garib Murshudov wrote: From: Garib Murshudov Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Date: Wednesday, 21 April

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-22 Thread tirumal
tely check the geometry of the NAGs carefully. Hope to see a validation tool for NAGs in Coot soon. Tirumal   --- On Wed, 21/4/10, Garib Murshudov wrote: From: Garib Murshudov Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 9:58 JE

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-21 Thread Garib Murshudov
JED's example is very illustrative and it shows that chirality may need to be added to this link definition. then sugar validation may be easier (at least ASN-NAG with only one sugar). If chirality is wrong then rotate around ND2-C1bond as a rigid group. Just like you do with rotamers. Here

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-21 Thread Paul Emsley
Garib Murshudov wrote: As I see there is no chirality definition for NAG-ASN link (perhaps there should be but then people will be unhappy even more). Only reason i can see for this flattening is conflict between geometry and electron density. Your example shows that even if electron density

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-21 Thread Garib Murshudov
cmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Emsley Sent: 20 April 2010 23:57 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars tirumal wrote: Hi All, My question is concerning geometry of NAGs in a glycoprotein structure. Fire away... I recently solved the structure of a gl

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-21 Thread Debreczeni, Judit
ssage- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Emsley Sent: 20 April 2010 23:57 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars tirumal wrote: > Hi All, > > My question is concerning geometry of NAGs in a glycoprotein

Re: [ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Emsley
tirumal wrote: Hi All, My question is concerning geometry of NAGs in a glycoprotein structure. Fire away... I recently solved the structure of a glycoprotein to 3 Å and modeled NAGs linked to Asn at 3 different places. NAGs and Asn-NAG links are refined in Phenix.refine as per the Pheni

[ccp4bb] geometry problems with sugars

2010-04-20 Thread tirumal
Hi All, My question is concerning geometry of NAGs in a glycoprotein structure. I recently solved the structure of a glycoprotein to 3 Å and modeled NAGs linked to Asn at 3 different places.  NAGs and Asn-NAG links are refined in Phenix.refine as per the Phenix dictionary. However, when subm