Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-05-01 Thread Bernhard Rupp
orks for your situation. That unfortunately is about as good as it gets for rules. br -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:23 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting Sure, t

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-05-01 Thread Joe
Sure, there are differences between these two methods, but no systematic study has been reported showing one is better than the other in terms of getting initial hits. Since we have a crystallization robot, I routinely set up sitting drops for initial screens and hanging drops (manually) for op

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-05-01 Thread Frank von Delft
Sorry, disagree again: with the right plate type (e.g. SwissCi plates), it's far far easier from sitting drop, because: 1. you don't have to muck around with flipping over the cover slip, instead just cut the seal 2. you have more time, because your drop does not evaporate as quickly (see earli

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-05-01 Thread Simon Kolstoe
It's also easier to fish the crystals out of the solution with a hanging drop. Simon On 1 May 2009, at 06:35, Debajyoti Dutta wrote: Hi, >From the experiance of mine I can tell you that the crystal size sometimes matters between these two methods. Hanging drop may yield bigger crysta

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-04-30 Thread Debajyoti Dutta
Hi, >From the experiance of mine I can tell you that the crystal size sometimes >matters between these two methods. Hanging drop may yield bigger crystals than >sitting drop, that may be due to the evaporation rate(surface area). Hanging >drop allow us to set different protocols also like f

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-04-30 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi, I beg to differ. Evaporation rates change dramatically between a drop lying on a flat surface open to air flow; a drop lying in a depression; and a drop lying in a depression with some reservoir solution next to it. We're talking seconds to minutes. So especially when using robotics to

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-04-30 Thread Bostjan Kobe
There is really not much difference in terms of setup between hanging and sitting drop, especially if the drops are set up on tape. Visualization is also usually easier with hanging drops. Bostjan On 1/05/09 1:37 AM, "Poul Nissen" wrote: > We often find results to be very different between han

Re: [ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-04-30 Thread Poul Nissen
We often find results to be very different between hanging and sitting drops (equilibration kinetics for one may be the explanation). Then there's the good thing of hanging drops that crystals rarely stick to the surface of the support facilitating the mounting procedure, in particular for

[ccp4bb] Hanging vs. Sitting

2009-04-30 Thread Jacob Keller
I have noticed that a significant majority of crystallizations are done in hanging- rather than sitting-drop configuration, and considering the significant extra labor involved in hanging drops, can only understand this preference as a historical bias. I understand that sometimes one technique