Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread Joel Sussman
Following up what Kay Diederichs recently wrote, each page of Proteopedia that contains user added comments have a visible banner on the top, e.g. see: https://proteopedia.org/w/2bs2 n.b. these user added comments are all signed, i.e. they are NOT anonymous, so it is a good location to consider u

Re: [ccp4bb] Density questionable?

2019-07-22 Thread Engi Hassaan
We faced a similar situation recently where our molecular replacement suggested 2 molecules in the asymmetric unit but the B factors of the second chain were twice as large as the first protien chain. At a resolution of 1.8 Å2 you could see the electron density for both chains. We performed ARP/wAR

Re: [ccp4bb] challenges in structural biology

2019-07-22 Thread Nishant Varshney
What about AI doing our job in the future? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01357-6?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=4c1d57fdf3-briefing-dy-20190722&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-4c1d57fdf3-44201949 Best Regards Nishant On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 11:30 PM,

Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread John Berrisford
Dear Harry We will be shortly making it mandatory for depositors to provide a value for at least one of the merging statistics (Rmerge, Rpim, CC1/2 etc..). Most depositors do, but we want to ensure that all depositors do provide at least one value for a merging metric. We would welcome

Re: [ccp4bb] challenges in structural biology

2019-07-22 Thread Sarah Bowman
I'd like to point out that the MAchine Recognition of Crystallization Outcomes (MARCO) makes a start to 'deep learning applied to crystallization outcomes', at least in terms of being able to classify drop images efficiently. There is obviously more work to be done to correlate these data with

Re: [ccp4bb] challenges in structural biology

2019-07-22 Thread Bernhard Rupp
> What about 'deep learning' applied to crystallization outcomes? Can it guide > individual trials better than intuition? Can it find previously unknown > promising combinations on a larger scale? I think several people were well aware of this need for some sort of sound machine learning alread

Re: [ccp4bb] Density questionable?

2019-07-22 Thread Bernhard Rupp
> Could there be two versions of each model: a "robustly-observed" and a "most-likely" version? We tried/suggested something in this spirit once. Not sure how it was received http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2016/12/00/rr5136/index.html Best, BR ++

Re: [ccp4bb] Density questionable?

2019-07-22 Thread Keller, Jacob
This is the old question of what a structural model represents. One perspective is that it represents the things one is certain about above some threshold, from the crystallographic data and maps alone. The other perspective is that it represents the most likely guess of what is actually there.

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Density questionable?

2019-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Isnt it most likely that this chain is partially occupied? Eleanor On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 12:32, wrote: > Dear Peer, > > I did not check, but I expect that atoms with B-factors exceeding 200 Å2 > will not contribute much to the F's at 2.3 Å. A good test might be to > calculate Rfree's at 4 or 4

[ccp4bb] off topic: job posting

2019-07-22 Thread Artem Evdokimov
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Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread Bärbel Blaum
Well it is also on the webpage of the entry but I suppose not all eight authors listed in this field did the crystallography. Since the pdb has not come up with a set of “contribution” fields to be filled in yet (maybe that would actually be useful!) the person in charge of the actual submission

Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread David Schuller
On 7/22/19 3:40 AM, Bärbel Blaum wrote: "As I said, the lead author may not actually be the crystallographer here" Bärbel No need to wonder, that info should be in the PDB file header. The author of the coordinates is not necessarily the same as the author of the primary reference. -- ===

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Density questionable?

2019-07-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Peer, I did not check, but I expect that atoms with B-factors exceeding 200 Å2 will not contribute much to the F's at 2.3 Å. A good test might be to calculate Rfree's at 4 or 4.5 Å (no refinement!) to see if the missing protein chain contributes at low resolution. If it does, I would keep

Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread Kay Diederichs
Proteopedia has this - see https://proteopedia.org/wiki/index.php/Proteopedia:Comments_on_Published_Structures Kay On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:42:33 +, Bonsor, Daniel wrote: >Would it be possible to add a public annotations section to the PDB, to allow >us to potentially flag/warn whoever dow

Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread CCP4BB
Hi John These are great, but the things that make me suspicious are the values of overall R(merge); these are tucked away in the full reports, rather than highlighted with all the other structural metrics in the validation sliders. It would be wonderful to be able to see at a glance where overa

[ccp4bb] Density questionable?

2019-07-22 Thread Peer Mittl
Dear Colleagues, We are working on a structure where the density for a whole protein chain (>200 aa) is questionable, since the B-factors exceed 200 Å2 (2.3 Ang resolution). However, the initial difference density map and the feature enhanced map (normal 2fo-fc map to a minor extend) support t

Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread John Berrisford
Dear Daniel The issues you mentioned are highlighted in the wwPDB validation report http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe/entry-files/6mo0_full_validation.pdf and global issues with the entry are highlighted in the validation sliders http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe/entry/pdb/6MO0 The validation sliders ar

Re: [ccp4bb] Questionable Ligand Density: 6MO0, 6MO1, 6MO2

2019-07-22 Thread Bärbel Blaum
You are absolutely right of course, Jacob! I just did that “just for fun”. As I said, the lead author may not actually be the crystallographer here and if that is the case it is possible that he would actually appreciate some feedback from this list. Despite the bad experiences some of us had wi