[ccp4bb] Conference Announcement: Quo Vadis Structural Biology?

2008-02-07 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
SAVE THE DATE! The first ever SBGrid user summit 'Quo Vadis Structural Biology?' will take place on May 5th and 6th 2008 in Boston, Massachusetts. We will have a number of talks and workshops focused on structural biology computing. This two-day conference will include lectures and hands-on compu

Re: [ccp4bb] Tag, you're in! Flag, V5, etc

2008-02-07 Thread David M Shechner
At least that's been our experience. Andy (No affiliation with NEB) Hi, everyone: Just to give both sides to this story, though, we've had phenomenally bad luck with the NEB Intein system (tagged on either the C- or N- terminus). The protein expressed and purified beautifully, and post-cleavag

Re: [ccp4bb] Solved: PDB file column-cut-paste issues

2008-02-07 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Ooh..la la! Where were you 12 hrs ago when we were suffering brain damage! Cheers! Raji PS: Thanks! >Oh dear - too late :-(. You can do it in Coot too! (The solution is on >the Coot Wiki now) > >http://xanana.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/xtal/wiki/index.php/Coot#Example_Scheme_Script_7:_Applying_arbitrar

Re: [ccp4bb] Solved: PDB file column-cut-paste issues

2008-02-07 Thread Paul Emsley
Raji Edayathumangalam wrote: Thanks everyone for all your suggestions. What's the issue? Each residue has one CSV value (per residue value) and the PDB line contains many lines of B-values per residue. This would leave us with no easy one-to-one line correlation between the B-value column and

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Phil Jeffrey
If you think about it, there is an analogy to relaxing geometrical constraints, which also allows the refinement to put atoms into "density". The reason it usually doesn't help Rfree is that the density is spurious. At least some of the incorrect structure determinations of the early 90's (that

[ccp4bb] Solved: PDB file column-cut-paste issues

2008-02-07 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Thanks everyone for all your suggestions. What's the issue? Each residue has one CSV value (per residue value) and the PDB line contains many lines of B-values per residue. This would leave us with no easy one-to-one line correlation between the B-value column and the CSV column. From what I u

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB file column-cut-paste issues

2008-02-07 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Raji, I think phenix.pdbtools can do it (if I correctly understood what you want to do): http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/pdbtools.htm Example: phenix.pdbtools model.pdb set_b_iso=25.3 selection="chain A and resname ALA and name CA" this will set all B=25 for all CA atoms in

[ccp4bb] PDB file column-cut-paste issues

2008-02-07 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Hi People, I post this on behalf of my colleague. My colleague has a file containing chemical-shift values for the 150 aa in his structure. He also has the PDB file for the crystal structure. Now, he would like to replace the B-factor column with the CS values to make some figures. It would be

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Dean Madden
Hi Phil, Here I will disagree. R-free rewards you for putting in atom in density which an atom belongs in. It doesn't necessarily reward you for putting the *right* atom in that density, but it does become difficult to do that under normal circumstances unless you have approximately the righ

Re: [ccp4bb] Tag, you're in! Flag, V5, etc

2008-02-07 Thread Andrew Gulick
If circumstances require a C-terminal tag, the intein system from New England Biolabs has worked very well for us. The pTYB1 plasmid encodes a fusion between your protein of interest, a viral intein (think "protein intron") and a chitin binding domain. The fusion adsorbs to a chitin resin and all

Re: [ccp4bb] Tag, you're in! Flag, V5, etc

2008-02-07 Thread James Whisstock
Hiya We usually add all N-terminal tags with a TeV cleavable linker. C-terminal tags always seem a pain to remove cleanly, because most highly specific recognition sequences (such as TeV) take advantage of P rather than P' specificity so you are usually left with a five (or so) residue tail.

[ccp4bb] Tag, you're in! Flag, V5, etc

2008-02-07 Thread Y. -F. Li
Hello, I'd appreciate it if anyone could provide information (experiences or publications) on the following: 1. Put a tag such as FLAG, V5, etc etc, at the N- and/or C-termini, in order for specific detection, but not interfering with protein folding/structure; 2. Is a linker between the tag and

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Edward Berry
Dean Madden wrote: Hi Ed, This is an intriguing argument, but I know (having caught such a case as a reviewer) that even in cases of low NCS symmetry, Rfree can be significantly biased. I think the reason is that the discrepancy between pairs of NCS-related reflections (i.e. Fo-Fo') is genera

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Edward Berry
Agreed, and this is even more true if you consider R-merge is calculated on I's and Rfree on F's, Rmerge of 5% should contribute 2.5% to Rfree; and furthermore errors add vectorially so it would be more like ,025/sqrt(2). I guess I have to take all those other errors that have to do with the inab

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Dean Madden
Hi Ed, This is an intriguing argument, but I know (having caught such a case as a reviewer) that even in cases of low NCS symmetry, Rfree can be significantly biased. I think the reason is that the discrepancy between pairs of NCS-related reflections (i.e. Fo-Fo') is generally significantly s

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Here I will disagree. R-free rewards you for putting in atom in density which an atom belongs in. It doesn't necessarily reward you for putting the *right* atom in that density, but it does become difficult to do that under normal circumstances unless you have approximately the right structur

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Jon Wright
Dear Ed, I don't see how you "decouple" symmetry mates in the case of a wrong space group. Symmetry mates should agree with each other typically within "R_sym" or "R_merge" percent, eg; about 2-5% . Observed and calculated reflections agree within "R_Factor" of each other, so about 20-30%. Th

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Dean Madden
It is true that multicopy refinement was essential for the suppression of Rwork. However, the whole point of the Rfree is that it is supposed to be independent of the number of parameters you're refining. Simply throwing multiple copies of the model into the refinement shouldn't have affected R

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Edward Berry
Actually the bottom lines below were my argument in the case that you DO apply strict NCS (although the argument runs into some questionable points if you follow it out). In the case that you DO NOT apply NCS, there is a second decoupling mechanism: Not only the error in Fo may be opposite for th

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Phil Jeffrey
While NCS probably played a role in the first crystal form of MsbA (P1, 8 monomers), this is also the one that showed the greatest improvement in R-free once the structure was correctly redetermined (7% or 14% depending on which refinement protocols you compare). The other crystal form of MsbA

[ccp4bb] One small step for a crystallographer, one giant leap for mankind!

2008-02-07 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
One small step for a crystallographer, one giant leap for mankind! (*) -- For those of you who didn't see it, the following was posted to the PDB mailing list last week: Announcement: Experimental Data Will Be Required for De

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Edward Berry
Dean Madden wrote: Hi Dirk, I disagree with your final sentence. Even if you don't apply NCS restraints/constraints during refinement, there is a serious risk of NCS "contaminating" your Rfree. Consider the limiting case in which the "NCS" is produced simply by working in an artificially low

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Axel Brunger
A few comments that you might find useful: 1. yes, even if you don't apply NCS restraints/constraints there will be correlations between reflections in cases of NCS symmetry or pseudo-crystallographic NCS symmetry. 2. Fabiola, Chapman, et al., published a very nice paper on the topic in A

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Bottom line: thin shells are not a perfect solution, but if NCS is present, choosing the free set randomly is *never* a better choice, and almost always significantly worse. hmmm ... I wonder if that is true. For low order NCS (two- three- fold, even five-fold) I don't believe that thin she

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Dean Madden
Hi Dirk, I disagree with your final sentence. Even if you don't apply NCS restraints/constraints during refinement, there is a serious risk of NCS "contaminating" your Rfree. Consider the limiting case in which the "NCS" is produced simply by working in an artificially low symmetry space-grou

[ccp4bb] NCS-related: Parameter for map/structure quality?

2008-02-07 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, The recent conversation about NCS got me thinking about something I have been wondering about for a while. Imagine a structure with twenty-fold NCS which diffracts to 2A versus a no-NCS structure of the same resolution--obviously the first model will be better than the

Re: [ccp4bb] Different chains in the dimer

2008-02-07 Thread Chavas Leo
Dear Yang, I have a protein which has the function unit as a dimer. I got two structures of it. One is the native structure, one is the mutant structure. Both structures are dimer in ASU. In the native structure the two chain look the same, but in mutant structure one chain still keep

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear CCP4ers, I'm not convinced, that thin shells are sufficient: I think, in principle, one should omit thick shells (greater than the diameter of the G-function of the molecule/assembly that is used to describe NCS- interactions in reciprocal space), and use the inner thin layer of these

Re: [ccp4bb] Announcement: two crystallographic wikis

2008-02-07 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Kay, That looks to be an excellent start. I should like to add SHELXL as well as SHELXC/D/E, there are regularly questions about it in CCP4bb. I'm not quite clear about how to generate enough material to make it useful, obviously you don't want to simply copy the SHELX manual, and similar

Re: [ccp4bb] extra line of stain in our gel

2008-02-07 Thread Dima Klenchin
When we develop our gel we recently keep getting a horizontal line of stain at 5 mol weight in all lanes of our gel. (This is not a feature of interest except that the protein that we are interested happens to be 5 mol weight). I would appreciate any ideas on how we can get rid of

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-07 Thread Doug Ohlendorf
It is important when using NCS that the Rfree reflections be selected is distributed thin resolution shells. That way application of NCS should not mix Rwork and Rfree sets. Normal random selection or Rfree + NCS (especially 4x or higher) will drive Rfree down unfairly. Doug Ohlendorf -Origi

[ccp4bb] Announcement: two crystallographic wikis

2008-02-07 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear all, I want to bring two crystallographic wikis to your attention, asking for your contribution: 1) CCP4 user community wiki: http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/Main_Page This wiki was planned by Tassos and me, and Artem and Clemens joined us lately. Unfortuna

Re: [ccp4bb] extra line of stain in our gel

2008-02-07 Thread fenguita
Hi Mike Sometimes keratin from your skin (fingers, nails, etc) appear in the gels as a band around 48-52 kDa. Take care in the handling of the electrophoresis should be a solution. Other possible reason could be a contamination of the sample loading buffer, also with keratin or with other protein

[ccp4bb] extra line of stain in our gel

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Colaneri
Hello, When we develop our gel we recently keep getting a horizontal line of stain at 5 mol weight in all lanes of our gel. (This is not a feature of interest except that the protein that we are interested happens to be 5 mol weight). I would appreciate any ideas on how we can get rid o

[ccp4bb] 2008 Kyoto IUCr Crystallographic Computing School - Sharing our knowledge (fwd)

2008-02-07 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Forwarded on behalf of Lachlan Cranswick. --dvd -- Forwarded message -- 2008 Kyoto IUCr Crystallographic Computing School - Sharing our knowledge (preliminary announcement) Kyoto Crystallographic Computing School Kansai Seminar House, K

[ccp4bb] Different chains in the dimer

2008-02-07 Thread yang li
Dear All, I have a protein which has the function unit as a dimer. I got two structures of it. One is the native structure, one is the mutant structure. Both structures are dimer in ASU. In the native structure the two chain look the same, but in mutant structure one chain still keep the sa

Re: [ccp4bb] Still cannot read .mtz + another ? part II

2008-02-07 Thread P.J.Briggs
Hello Ainsley I'm not sure what the MOLREPLIB is used for, I checked the Molrep source code and references to it are commented out. So it seems most likely that this is now just an historical curiosity, and can be safely ignored. I suspect that your question regarding Phaser has been lost in the