Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-03 Thread Tom Davies
of role. To be fair i am not on the Brazilian lists so they might have someone too. Regards from Tom :) From: Thorsten Behrens To: David Nelson Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 3 August, 2011 9:36:08 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] fun

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-03 Thread Thorsten Behrens
David Nelson wrote: > My point is that the sysadmins team is perhaps not developing the > right culture in terms of openness and participation, and that it > would be good to open it up a bit. This is my 2 cents, others may not > see things like that, but... > Hi David, I indeed disagree here. Th

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-02 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, OK, thanks for the answers. And don't forget to eat lots of fruit and sleep regularly. ;-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting gui

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-02 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-08-01 11:05: I know you work tremendously hard for the project, and you have a lot of respect and gratitude from me from that, which you know I have expressed on- and off-list various times. Let me take the chance to say again that, without your *personal* e

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > You know, complaining is easy. I myself do nearly a half-day job for TDF, > next to my real life, and I'm a bit allergic to generalization. If there is > a specific topic that does not work out, please ping us again and let

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Jonathan, On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 09:25 +0200, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > hey florian im just curious how does one get to be a system admin? Is it > limited to those people in germany or can people such as myself based in > malta help out as a systems admin as well? I would like to see

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-08-01 10:10: Yes, well given that you have root access to my server, it would have been good for me to talk to you about some "in-depth and detailed" issues. well, in that case, I indeed missed it, and I am sorry for that. However, publically announcing i

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 01/08/2011 10:40, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-08-01 09:25: hey florian im just curious how does one get to be a system admin? Is it limited to those people in germany or can people such as myself based in malta help out as a systems admin as well? there i

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-08-01 09:25: hey florian im just curious how does one get to be a system admin? Is it limited to those people in germany or can people such as myself based in malta help out as a systems admin as well? there is no defined process so far, and basically, of co

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-01 09:41: No - this would be absolutely chaotic. Imagine if every now and then a team comes around, doing some event and then *afterwards* asks for reimbursement, because "this would be fair". sorry, clear: no from my side. well, I see it different in thi

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > It was solely for those having root access, not for web site managers, as > the technical topics were in-depth and detailed. Yes, well given that you have root access to my server, it would have been good for me to talk to

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > Gesendet: 29.07.11 18:24 Uhr > Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: > > Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get > > it:-) > > Thanks for the clarification > > actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TD

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
hey florian im just curious how does one get to be a system admin? Is it limited to those people in germany or can people such as myself based in malta help out as a systems admin as well? On 01/08/2011 09:20, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-08-01 01:31: I've

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-08-01 01:31: I've no particular opinion about the funding, but I did regret having missed the opportunity to have met the project's sysadmins, and I was disappointed that it was a thing not decided with the knowledge and possible involvement of the internatio

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-31 Thread David Nelson
Hi, I've no particular opinion about the funding, but I did regret having missed the opportunity to have met the project's sysadmins, and I was disappointed that it was a thing not decided with the knowledge and possible involvement of the international community of web resource contributors, but

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-31 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-07-30 15:23: I think the SC just voted on the 600 euroes excess. I think the full amount might need another vote. Coincidentally i think there is an Sc Meeting tonight(?) so it could be done quite quickly there? Perhaps vote on the full amount first and if that g

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-31 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 19:07: I don't disagree that, based on the agenda and participants, it would make more sens, but then why didn't you put the initial budget proposal in front of the TDF SC rather than the 'German Association' board ? the initial funding was an offer by

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-30 Thread Tom Davies
m Tom :) From: Drew Jensen To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 17:03:15 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 17:46 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:3

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Tom Davies
but avoid it in the future? Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 16:46:03 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get it:-) Thanks for the clarification actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, as this would be fair. Of course, if the German association wa

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Drew Jensen wrote on 2011-07-29 18:03: OK - that sounds as if the decision by the FrODev BOD was to expend the 1,000 euro from the FrODev account, not the the TDF account, yes? that's how I understood it. However, since the weekend was solely TDF-related, and the association doesn't get

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Drew, *, On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 17:46 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: >> >> However, since more money then offered by the German association is >> needed, and the weekend was for the TDF admins, > > Actual costs exceeded projection by 60%.

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:35: >> >> Now you are getting me really confused. >> >> Who decided what, and who is paying what ? > > the board of directors of the German association, which will stay an > independent e

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 17:46 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:35: > > Now you are getting me really confused. > > > > Who decided what, and who is paying what ? > > the board of directors of the German association, which will stay an > independen

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 17:35: Now you are getting me really confused. Who decided what, and who is paying what ? the board of directors of the German association, which will stay an independent entity also after TDF has been funded, but in the meantime is the legal entity

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi David, > > David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-28 15:09: >> >> *Some*  being the operative word... I never heard about this... Was it >> publicized at all on the website mailing list and I missed it? > > no, it was in first place a board d

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-28 15:09: *Some* being the operative word... I never heard about this... Was it publicized at all on the website mailing list and I missed it? no, it was in first place a board decision of the German association, so it was published in their meeting mi

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-28 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > as some of you know, the TDF admins had a system operations meeting in > Munich about one month ago: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/System_Operations/Meeting_2011-01 *Some* being the operative word... I never heard

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-28 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > In total, when we want to pay everyone their hotels, and their travel, > we would end up with about 1.600 € in total, so 600 € more than > initially planned. I have to formally ask the German association's board > of directors for approval, but since I inte

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-27 Thread sophie
On 27/07/2011 21:08, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: 2011/7/27 Italo Vignoli Thorsten Behrens wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote: As the weekend was a pure working weekend, and people spend lots of their time during week and on weekends, for keeping our infrastructure running, I consider it justifie

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-27 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
2011/7/27 Italo Vignoli > Thorsten Behrens wrote: > >> Florian Effenberger wrote: >> >>> As the weekend was a pure working weekend, and people spend lots of >>> their time during week and on weekends, for keeping our >>> infrastructure running, I consider it justified to not give them the >>> bur

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-27 Thread Italo Vignoli
Thorsten Behrens wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote: As the weekend was a pure working weekend, and people spend lots of their time during week and on weekends, for keeping our infrastructure running, I consider it justified to not give them the burden of also paying out of their own pockets. +1

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-27 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Florian Effenberger wrote: > As the weekend was a pure working weekend, and people spend lots of > their time during week and on weekends, for keeping our > infrastructure running, I consider it justified to not give them the > burden of also paying out of their own pockets. > +1 -- Thorsten --

Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-07-27 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Although my vote doesn't count. It's a bad idea generally but it was a difficult one to budget for since it's still so early in TDF's existence. Lets hope future meetings are so productive and so well attended! Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Eff