Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-09 Thread Mark Elkins via bind-users
I attended my first DNS Training course presented by Bill Manning at ICANN Rio de Janeiro March 2003. In December 2004, ICANN came to Cape Town - and Johan Ihrén (now Stenstam) and Bill Manning taught DNS together. Anyway, we (UniForum S.A. - now ZARC) started presenting DNS Training in South

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-09 Thread Michael De Roover
On Sunday, February 9, 2025 12:54:53 PM CET Michael De Roover wrote: > Perhaps this would be as good of an email as any to express that I once > walked the corridors with this teacher- Not sure to which extent this will be necessary, but by this I meant my own teacher Gitte. I should really learn

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-09 Thread Michael De Roover
On Sunday, February 9, 2025 11:45:52 AM CET Carsten Strotmann via bind-users wrote: > I've been teaching DNS for over 30 years now, and I have always been uneasy > using the old terms. I've used to "dance around" them, mentioning them once > and using different terms all along in the training. T

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-09 Thread Carsten Strotmann via bind-users
Hi, On 9 Feb 2025, at 7:35, Michael De Roover wrote: > I for > one look forward to seeing what people from various parts of the world have > to say about > it. I've been teaching DNS for over 30 years now, and I have always been uneasy using the old terms. I've used to "dance around" them, men

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-08 Thread Michael De Roover
On Sunday, February 9, 2025 7:16:16 AM CET Ondřej Surý wrote: > I absolute agree that the context matters. But there are more contexts - the > historical context and the current discourse context. You can’t ignore > either. > > From historical context, we can probably deduce that the word “groper”

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-08 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 9. 2. 2025, at 5:35, Michael De Roover wrote: > > Long story short, context matters. Paul Vixie made the context pretty clear, > as an authoritative figure. Perhaps we were mistaken to tie slavery into this > discussion in the first place. Or perhaps the designers at the time were > mistake

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-08 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 7. 2. 2025, at 9:05, Bjørn Mork via bind-users > wrote: > > Not sure where to draw the line. Are the 2024 rules final, or are we > going to continue this whack-a-mole game forever? This question is a logical fallacy. The society evolves and the technology cannot be ignorant to the chang

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-08 Thread Michael De Roover
On Friday, February 7, 2025 9:05:16 AM CET Bjørn Mork via bind-users wrote: > Personally I am mostly worried about the potentional number of technical > terms we have not yet identified as "bad". The set of words we may have > to replace in the future is virtually unlimited. Most colours are > ob

Re: Primary/Secondary (Was: Master/Slave)

2025-02-08 Thread bzs+bind-users
Terminology, Power, and Exclusionary Language in Internet-Drafts and RFCs Abstract This document argues for more inclusive language conventions sometimes used by RFC authors and the RFC Production Centre in Internet-Drafts that are work in progress, and in new RFCs tha

Re: Primary/Secondary

2025-02-07 Thread Bjørn Mork via bind-users
Greg Choules via bind-users writes: > What's a "primary master" as opposed to (presumably?) a "secondary master"? Some servers will be both masters and slaves when using hierarchical replication. It is useful to define the root of the tree as "primary master" and refer to any upstream from a "s

Re: Primary/Secondary (Was: Master/Slave)

2025-02-06 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 2/6/25 08:40, Greg Choules via bind-users wrote: In DNS terms, for me, a "primary" has the single source of truth for data in zones and a "secondary" transfers a temporary copy of that data from a primary, or from another secondary (though daisy chain secondaries at your peril). All are auth

Re: Primary/Secondary (Was: Master/Slave)

2025-02-06 Thread Greg Choules via bind-users
Hi Paul. What's a "primary master" as opposed to (presumably?) a "secondary master"? Maybe there are just too many combinations and permutations of type of box for a single word to convey all meanings, though I haven't encountered any yet. Even in an environment like Active Directory, where all se

Re: Primary/Secondary (Was: Master/Slave)

2025-02-06 Thread Paul Kosinski via bind-users
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 09:11:32 +0100 Ondřej Surý wrote: > Hey, > > since you've asked about ISC recommendations and good practice, > we prefer to use the current DNS terminology as defined in RFC 8499[1] > that says: > > > Although early DNS RFCs such as [RFC1996] referred to this as a "master", >