Bob O'Neill wrote:
Thom Hehl wrote:
> I have a screen that is gotten to by a rather elaborate search string. I
> want to put a button on that page that calls a CGI and passes it
> location.href, which has all of the parameters I need to get back to
> that page. The problem is, how do I do that without it mucking up t
Adriano Allora wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I need to obtain some values (passed with a form) without knowing their
> names (but I know these variable names correspond to names of some files.
>
> So, I tried to write something like this:
>
> opendir(QUERY,
> "/Users/adrianoallora/Sites/corpora/VALICO/i
Mary Anderson wrote:
> Hi All,
>I know this isn't strictly a cgi problem, but it is arising in a cgi
> application. I have a loop which reads certain fields, hashed on names.
> Some of my fields hold character strings, some hold numbers. Sometimes
> the number field is a blank. I need a te
David Bear wrote:
I'm trying to put a client side redirect with http-equiv refresh. I'm using
the syntax:
my $req = CGI->new();
print $req->header( "text/html" );
print $req->start_html( -head=>meta({-http-equiv => 'refresh',
In the above line the call to meta() is a function call, but you
Lou Hernsen wrote:
I use the -e to check to see if a file is present
if (-e "$Pics/$Game{Page}.jpg")
{
}
Question
I can get it to work looking for .pl and .gif but not .jpg
I have checked all the directorie vars and even did this
print qq||;
print qq||;
print qq||;
print qq||;
Greg Schiedler wrote:
I know enough Perl to be dangerous!
I have a form that sends out several different confirmations depending on
who the receipient is.
One particular E-mail I need to be in html format so I can put it into a
specific format. I added a couple of lines to the sendmail routine
Gregg O'Donnell wrote:
All,
I use this line of code:
my $datetime = join ' ', (split ' ', localtime)[0,2,1,4,3];
my $localtime = [ split ' ', localtime ];
my $datetime = $localtime->[0] . ', ' . join ' ', @$localtime[2,1,4,3];
TMTOWTDI...
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To create this result:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> TEXT FILE ##
>
>
> http://mysite.com/link/here_goes?id=239";>LINK
>
>
>
>
> http://mysite.com/link/here_goes?id=239";>LINK
> width="150">06/11/2007 12:29AM
>
>
> ##
thunder wrote:
Hello all
I have the following small file that i am parsing one line at a time
(each line consists of hex values)
line 1: 0d
line 2:
line 3: 2000
line 4: 0064
line 5: 76d457ed462df78c7cfde9f9e33724c6
line 6: bded7a7b9f6d763e
line 7: 0059010081bb300597603b6f90ef4421
l
shnaxe wrote:
> dear readers,
>
> i recently finished a small perl-cgi download script that sends files
> after some checks and logging. i call this script through a link on a
> static html-page and pass the file-id as a parameter.
>
> this all works nice so far, the part where i'm stuck at is th
Unless we are all running linux and mozilla and don't worry about such
things ;-)(oh if only that could be)
John wrote:
> All,
>
> I am subscribed to both the Perl- and CGI-Beginners lists and get a ton of
> your very informative questions and (what's best ) answers every day.
>
Do you mean addreport never gets called, or is never loaded? Should be
loaded as it is in the same file as the eval, it appears you are trying
to call "addreport" from the input variable of "action" but I don't see
where that value is ever tested/used?
(you might consider use strict; on a sid
As the example given illustrates split is *more general* than just in
database usage, or manipulation based on a single character (though
these are probably two of the most common uses)
split can be used on ANY string, and may use ANY regular expression to
"split on" no matter where you ar
I am not an expert on CGI.pm (as I don't use it personally) but there
didn't seem to be any other responses so I thought I would fire one off.
If I am understanding what you asked correctly, there is no way to pass
a "CGI object" to the new process from the old do to the fact that the
browser
There may be a direct way but I am not aware of it. As a proposed
solution you could have the user call a perl script that has the
following steps:
1) create a lock file (or something similar)
2) open the file that is to be downloaded
3) print the proper header for that file type
4) print the
t removed prior to taht point.
> Please tell me if I am wrong.
>
> In fact, after downloading, I want to delete the real file, not only the
> lock file.
>
If you can get one to delete, the other is obvious.
> Thank you.
>
> Teddy Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/
> Mai
This is a very broad question, so giving a specific answer is difficult
to say the least, but since no one else has responded I will provide at
least this much
You are going to want to be looking at using a "hash of hashes"
essentially you create a hash where each key is the email address
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> I run the script with the ?fileName query string to download the "fileName"
> file.
> The download finishes fine, and the script deletes the "fileName" file from
> the server.
>
> Then in the same Internet Explorer window, I run again the script with the
> "anothe
Good to hear.
In general file uploading occurs when the browser "tacks" on a specific
request header and the data for the file. Therefore, any request may
*attempt* to upload a file.
The real key is whether or not there is something on the other end
(server side) that will handle the request
On a side note, where you said "A[12]" just to avoid future problems
either you wanted A[11] or don't forget to add a blank starting element
in the array, as arrays are indexed starting at 0!!
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fliptop wrote:
> GsuLinuX wrote:
> >
> > I wanna check the information typed i
See inline comment.
Soheil Shaghaghi wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Can anyone please tell me what the problem is with this code?
> Every time I run my program with this code in it, I get an error in the log
> files:
> DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_array failed: fetch() without execute() at
> IWeb/sqlengine.p
My suspicion is that IE is looking ahead of time at the extension of the
file requested and doing some guess work (*I could be wrong*) but in
this case your only real option would be to rename your CGI script,
which is a beautiful thing about the web/unix/etc, you can do this!
You might try chang
>
>>>I have a form which the user
>>>enters dates like '08/01/2002'. What is the best way to make sure this
>>>format is entered. Should i use javascript here or regex?
>>
>
> None of them, you should create a select/opt menu.
> Then you even no need to check it, so you can put you focus
> to a
This is coming from left field, and the gurus should chime in, and I
have been reading up about IPC last couple of days so this is on the
brain, but would setting up a signal handler (don't know what signal it
would be receiving, obviously this would need to be determined) help? I
would think
Posting your whole script, or a larger part might be helpful and get
more response. are you using strict and warnings?
My original hunch was that the "where" method was not being exported and
therefore was not "loaded" by your script, upon a slight more research I
was *unable* to find the "wh
Or go one step further, and rather than recording the time, record the
difference in time, granted this will only ever be *really close* ->
Write the page with a hard coded time dynamically from the server, then
have javascript get the localtime, and store the difference in the
cookie, rather
Might be other ways to thwart this, but we would need more info about
how you are doing things, aka POST or GET, setting cookies, etc. If you
want to rid yourself of both the back button problem and session only
cookies, you could always have your return page use a little javascript
and call
Jimmy George wrote:
> An earlier email of mine did say that this cgi-bin folder in my home
> site is a 711 protection and does contain a file test1.cgi also at 711
> protection that does work.
>
711 should work as you say since you (the web server's user) are simply
executing the script.
>
A cursory look at the code appears ok, you are positive that there are
no errors given, have you tried running it command line??
What does sendmail's log file look like??? The program may be sending
to sendmail, it may not be complaining back immediately, but it might be
complaining later and
In other words what Rob is asking ;-) is are you using mod_perl or plain
cgi, and in the case of plain CGI, what browser are you using? what
version of that browser? and have you tried other browsers, on other
OSes, on other computers with what results???
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Hanson, Rob w
Changing @INC would work, but to save yourself hassle later and possibly
to avoid further problems you might consider upgrading/re-installing
DBI, and DBD-mysql through CPAN as well, as that should fix the problems
and keep your CPAN installation contiguous, aka you upgraded Perl
through CPAN
Soheil Shaghaghi wrote:
> I kind of know how it's supposed to be done I m just not sure who to write the code
>:)
This sounds like a question that probably shouldn't be addressed here,
as this is a help forum, rather than a job posting forum?? Sounds like
you know what you want, and it ca
tainly not trying to discourage upcoming Perl programmers, but we
have had posts before that were more suited to the jobs list than the
help list.
good luck with the project...
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Soheil Shaghaghi wrote:
> Wiggins Wrote:
>
> This sounds like a question that prob
:17 yikes)
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Wiggins d'Anconia wrote:
> Miscommunication I think is at the root. The way you stated the problem:
>
>
> I kind of know how it's supposed to be done I m just not sure who to
> write the code.
>
>
> With the use of t
aka, use lib is like placing the push in a BEGIN blockwhich I think
was the "old" way of doing things...
David Zhuo wrote:
> push @INC, 'the/path/you/want'
>
> is different than:
>
> use lib 'the/path/you/want'
>
> from a user's perspective, they are the same but they are not under the
ay, when i reply, how come i don't see my replied message showed
> up in the mailing list? i am new to this mailing list :-)
>
> david
>
> On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 14:38, Wiggins d'Anconia wrote:
>
>>aka, use lib is like placing the push in a BEGIN blockwhich
The way I understand things, cookies must be printed before the header
is returned (though this may have changed in HTTP/1.1, anyone?) In which
case setting a cookie from within an SSI non-javascript is not possible.
A cookie is just specifically formatted text being printed before the
Content
never
> appear in the news reader and i don't know why? i can see everyone
> else's message but my own posted/replied message never appear in the
> mailing list...
>
> david
>
> On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 15:40, Wiggins d'Anconia wrote:
>
>>SOrry...I was
Sort of on this subject, but certainly great timing:
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/20/1250242
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Craig Dean wrote:
> It is very slow.
> On Monday 19 August 2002 07:15 am, you wrote:
>
>>I have been looking for a good Perl development environment for Linu
man sendmail??? (or possibly try a sendmail group)
You might be looking for "DeliveryMode=x" where x is "b" but I am not a
sendmail expert.
You might also check the perldoc for Net::SMTP as this is probably safer
than using sendmail command line (or one of the many other SMTP modules).
http:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> I am Martin Schaaf, Forth hacker and Perl mystified.
>
> I'm taking on a volunteer project to create a cgi script to maintain a
> simple flat file database and generate reports through email. Passwords
> and commands would be passed through the email Subje
mber which one) that they recommend using
> sendmail.
>
> What should I use if I have both?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Teddy's Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/
> Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Wiggins d'Anconia" <[EMA
Remember to reply all so the list gets your posts as well...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> At 06:48 PM 8/27/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> This doesn't sound like a CGI script
>
>
> You're absolutely right. This is my second iteration, I've dropped the
> CGI implementation for security reasons and
>
> but for the life of me, I do not see this X-UIDL in
> my outgoing traffic - is that something on his side
> that his MTA is inserting???
>
seems like the general consensus of the results from a google search is
that it is an MUA header used with pop/imap.
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/b
Off the top of my hand I don't know of one, as I would more than likely
home grow my own with Find::File and DBI, have you checked
http://www.freshmeat.net and of course CPAN? There may be something in
existence, or at least something close that you could then hack up to
use your own db defs
zentara wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:32:27 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jimmy
> George) wrote:
>
>
>>Is there any way of encrypting a credit card number etc. so that it can
>>not be seen when being transmitted from desktop to server? The user
>>needs to see what they type to make sure it is co
From > perldoc DBI
$rc = $h->err;
$str = $h->errstr;
$rv = $h->state;
You should look at the docs for DBI, error handling is described in
detail. That should get you started
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aman cgiperl wrote:
> Hi All
> Is there a way to check the s
I am sure one of the gurus probably has a cool regex to do this, but I
haven't gotten to that book yet ;-)
One solution and by no means the fastest or shortest, would be to split
on space, then step through your returned list checking the beginning of
each element, if that element star
I'll take a stab, if I miss anything please fill it in guys.
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Hi and thank you. It works!
> Could you explain me please in a few words what is this line doing exactly?
> I want to learn.
>
> print join "\n", grep defined, ($string =~ /"(.*?)"|(\w+)/g);
>
Best thing to
Is the data dated?
For example would it work to pass data up to point A, then set a cookie
with the date+time of point A. Then when the page is refreshed data
that has been generated since point A is printed to the browser.
Obviously this is a crude solution, but maybe the closest you can get
The other options might work better. But another solution would be to
pass a hidden value from the form to the script, which would prevent
people from just hitting the URL directly, though this like the other
methods is easily spoofed as well, considering "hidden" values aren't
really all tha
Is the line being displayed? In that case you are likely printing the
cookie after the header has already been printed, which is not allowed
(or at least not standard, though I think some browsers may accept them).
More specific information is going to be needed, and posting a larger
portion
Date::Calc is a wonderful thing. If that doesn't work however I would
suggest just storing the number of seconds from epoch (aka time) in the
log file. Then you simply subtract 30 days worth of seconds aka,
60*60*24*30 seconds -> which you can just use the constant for whatever
that comes out
I guess the question I have at this point is why pass the date to the
form from the server and then back to a script when the end script could
just as easily get the time using the *time* built in?
Browser window could be opened with the time being set by the server,
two days later when the us
Second part:
Depends on how complex you want your thumbnail page to be (of course).
Simplest might be to store all your thumbnails to a directory, do an
opendir, then while readdir, print your image tag changing only the file
name in each case.
To complicate matters, you can use the same Imag
Surprised no one else mentioned that this may better be answered by
other mailing lists at the actual source (pun not intended):
Go back to the beginning:
http://www.gnu.org
For reference:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php
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Alex Agerholm wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
At the server or the client side?
perldoc -f stat
If you want it on the server side. "stat" returns specific information
about a file on the local filesystem (or one that can be seen locally).
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Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am using the LWP module and I am trying
Just as a warning some systems at boot check the ownership/permissions
of devices in /dev and correct the "problem children" so all of a sudden
after a reboot this may not work again, you might be pre-emptive, try
rebooting (or take a walk through the init process) and if this is the
case addi
You may also want to consider using the Email::Valid module.
http://search.cpan.org/author/MAURICE/Email-Valid-0.14/Valid.pm
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Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>"Octavian" == Octavian Rasnita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Octavian> I've tried to verify if an email addre
http://search.cpan.org/author/MIVKOVIC/Mail-Sendmail-0.78/Sendmail.pm
This has absolutely nothing to do with your Apache version.
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Bruce Ambraal wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Could any one send of tell where I could find this Module.
>
> thanks in advance.
> Bruce
>
--
To uns
If I am understanding correctly you should be able to just look for the
first blank line following the header. This is part of the SMTP spec,
the header is always concluded with a blank line that signifies it is
ending and the actual message is beginning.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This question may be better posed to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list many of
those users do not monitor both lists, and may be able to provide better
insight.
I would try and answer it but I don't have one :-)
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Justin Cook wrote:
Hello-
How can I tell what modules I've inst
My *guess* is no because that would be silly.
My *semi-proof* is if you have use warnings on and your program compiled
a module over again that has already been included then it would
complain about redefining each of the sub routines in that module.
My *guess* is that perl internally either ke
I agree with what John Herbold already posted but would add:
This probably has more to do with your hardware up to a point. Running
mysql on a 486 is going to obviously not be as efficient as running it
on a dual sun box, etc.
In a previous position we ran 50 or so databased sites that ranged f
With you evil people out there ;-) I am glad I use Mozilla. Actually I
just wanted to state that even this is not fool proof anymore since
thank god mozilla has a feature where you can shut off image loading in
the mail client.
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Peter Kappus wrote:
Kelvin...Congrats on your
Theoretically because XHTML is really just a subset of XML any XML
parser *should* be able to parse XHTML with no problem. HTML gets a
little more complicated as it does not have to be properly formed. I am
not sure if there is a module that will handle all types, the easy way I
would think to
Restarting automatically I would think wouldn't be possible without some
outside source checking for whether it is running (for instance crond
like you mention). Generally with a daemon process you would right a
lock file or pid file, then have cron check for the pid file, read the
pid out of
Jimmy George wrote:
Hello All
This is not really CGI talk but I am interested in the statement that
XHTML is a subset od XML and a parser should be available in the CGI library.
The examples you gave are all part of the XML specification. XHTML is
really just a predefined set of tags and rules
perldoc -f system
or check out the "backtick" operator. Use system if you are just
wishing to receive the result code from execution, use the backticks if
you need to capture the output of the command. You might also check out
the expect module on CPAN and see if you can bring all of the vario
Just a hunch
Dave K wrote:
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask, partly because I'm not sure
where the problem lies.
Environ: Winnt, ActiveState Perl, ImageMagick, Apache.
Script uses CGI standard. I am attempting to access various methods from
Image::Magick, some of which require no
It is a very good book, but I am not sure it is what the original poster
was looking for, I don't think it is geared towards the cgi spectrum of
Perl. It is great for doing specific tasks, many of which can be
implemented in multiple arenas, but as a CGI book it really isn't.
Along with the CG
You want rmtree which is part of File::Path ...
perldoc File::Path
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I need to delete a directory and all the dir's and file below it
can somebody help me with that
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What does the source of the page say? Everything looks correct in your
perl, but it sounds as if the problems are client side which would
indicate that whatever is in mytext.dat is not correct javascript.
Verify that the source matches the mytext.dat code, and then double
check that that code a
Some light reading:
perldoc perlmod
perldoc perlmodlib
perldoc perlmodstyle
perldoc perlmodinstall
perldoc -f use
perldoc -f require
etc. (full list perldoc perl, may vary depending on version)
Will wrote:
Greets Folks,
In many of the books and manuals I have, it seems
every author has a di
Mail::POP3Client has a built in method to do this, from the docs:
"Body( MESSAGE_NUMBER )
Get the body of the specified message, either as an array of lines
or as a string, depending on context."
If for some reason you must do it yourself, the end of the mail headers
are indicated by the fi
Haven't used the module myself, but see inline.
Mike(mickako)Blezien wrote:
Hi Wiggins,
Thanks for the info. I was sure that the Mail::POP3Client had something
in it to extract the body of the message, but haven't been able to get
it to work with the test script belowdo you pos
Do you know what browser(s)? Most browsers should encode the & as "%26"
and then your split would work properly. On a side note why re-invent
the wheel, when it has already been invented lots of times, see CGI
module on CPAN, or any one of the hundreds of CGI sites that give you
source code t
Assuming you have control of the domains in question, you could have a
"hidden" frame (frameheight=0 or something similar) that loads a script
on one of the other domains that then sets it's cookie, and then
redirects to the next domain, etc., but even this can be blocked in
Mozilla (thank god)
You need the openssl development stuff, not just the binary package, aka
it is looking for the headers, which are included in the source package,
or usually in a development package depending on your system. Which
distro are you running?
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james lundeen wrote:
yes, openssl i
other
servers that I believe this statement to be true.
--- Wiggins d'Anconia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You need the openssl development stuff, not just the binary package, aka
it is looking for the headers, which are included in the source package,
or usually in a development pac
I couldn't tell if you meant create a list of all directories, or create
a replication of all directories. You should check out:
perldoc File::Find
perldoc File::Path
To see if they contain what you are after.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Is there a way to have my sc
From the docs (lwpcook):
"HTTPS
URLs with https scheme are accessed in exactly the same way as
with http scheme, provided that an SSL interface module for LWP has been
properly installed (see the README.SSL file found in the libwww-perl
distribution for more details). If no SSL interfac
I think you are going to need to post a little of the script,
specifically the part that prints that section of the HTML and possibly
whatever you are using to print your header, as this is a rather
specific and infrequent problem.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a script i
Always group reply so the list can help as well, as I definitely don't
have all the answers :-) ...
I am not able to reproduce the problem, copying and pasting your script
into a test here, output correct HTML, that did not display extra <
characters where you indicated.
The only thing I can s
I am not sure if Open2 automagically autoflushes the IO so you may want
to turn on autoflushing and try again to see if that helps. You should
also turn on warnings with 'use warnings' and see if that gives any more
information.
Don't know why other than not flushing the buffers this would wor
like it may not be a problem with your script, but rather a
problem with the environment. Anything out of the ordinary that you
know of?
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Miroslav Suchy wrote:
Wiggins D'Anconia wrote:
I am not sure if Open2 automagically autoflushes the IO so you may
want to tu
At a loss for what else you can try, with the exception of starting over
with that file and try rewriting it, never know that sometimes helps for
no apparent reason :-). Sorry I couldn't be of more help
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Miroslav Suchy wrote:
Wiggins D'Anconia wrote:
The s
Is it possible to hardcode the location of wget as I am wondering if
calling a program with a non-specific location in 'system' is what is
causing the problem (have a look at perldoc perlsec for what I mean). I
guess the other question I have is what does this have to do with
booting the system
See perldoc -f flock, but specifically, no you do not need the 'use'
statement with the way you are calling flock, that is with the '2'
instead of using one of the "symbolic" names that Fcntl:flock provides,
from the aforementioned perldoc:
"OPERATION is one of LOCK_SH, LOCK_EX, or LOCK_UN, pos
Colin Johnstone wrote:
Gidday All,
After adding a member to my mailing list using a form with the get method. I
wish to send a location header to call the page again, to clear the query
string. So that if the refresh key is hit that member is not added again.
Is this the correct implementation o
I thought CPAN inherited the PERL5LIB as it's install location. If this
is not the case on of the configuration parameters given to CPAN is
something like "Additional options for Makefile" which you can set to
include a directive such as "PREFIX=/path/to/lib/dir" that will then get
passed to th
Ed Sickafus wrote:
I asked in a previous query ...
Is it possible to name a variable as the numeric value of a scalar?
I should be more specific.
Is it possible to convert the value returned by the time function into a
name for a variable?
I presume I concatenate some form of the number return
We will get you there, eventually, ;-)...
Ed Sickafus wrote:
Although you all are trying, I'm still not getting it -- namely, how to use
the hash names in a HoH.
My reference shows the following template for a HoH:
outermost hash
| inner level of hashes
| | innermo
Dave K wrote:
Ed,
A 'cleaner' approach.
The central (as opposed to key) point:
In the expression:
$hash{$ohk}->{$ihk}
$hash{$ohk} is the _value_ of a hash, but that _value_ is a reference to a
hash,
so we can use the '->' syntax. Think of:
$hash{$ohk}->
as identifying that (pesky anonymous)
Ed Sickafus wrote:
foreach $keyouter(sort keys %dbm) {
foreach $keyinner(keys %{$dbm{$keyouter}}){
If ($dbm{$keyouter}{$keyinner} == "LN")
{
print "localtime($dbm{$keyouter}) \t
Last Name = $dbm{$keyouter}{$keyinner}\n";
} ### <--- Line 69
else
{
print "\t\t
Alex Agerholm wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to make download of files like you can make upload of files
from a CGI script ?
If I understand you correctly you want to send something other than HTML
bascially? This works very similar to regular HTML cgi scripts, except
you will need to send a dif
Philip Pawley wrote:
I am calling 2 scripts separately using server-side includes. I want to reuse the variables from the first script in the second.
I am very much aware that I need to do more reading. Where do I look for the answers to this particular question?
You will need to look to savin
What does this have to do with CGI?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be a
better list for this question.
However, do you have MySQL installed in an abnormal location, or where
is the 'mysql_config' executable on your system? If it is in a "normal"
location and you just installed it you may need to ad
Ed Sickafus wrote:
Didn't find a list at CPAN for installing modules. Please point me if this
query is out of place.
You might have better luck on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, despite its
name, advanced topics are discussed as well. I know there are several
of us on both lists, but some of th
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