RE: Nasty

2001-07-14 Thread Frank J. Schmuck
In another life I managed a software project to develop a suite of EDI business offerings. Good programmers are artists. The image that most are *holes comes from how they interact with people who are ignorant and don't know it. Its like marketing walking in and throwing the 1,000 change on the

Re: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread Mel Matsuoka
At 10:34 PM 07/13/2001 -0400, fliptop wrote: >Curtis Poe wrote: >> >> There are other reasons, too. Just today, I was asked to break >> a version of a Web site we were about to publically release. >> It took me 5 minutes to find a security hole and demonstrate >> that I could execute any arb

Re: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread fliptop
Curtis Poe wrote: > > There are other reasons, too. Just today, I was asked to break a version of a Web >site we were > about to publically release. It took me 5 minutes to find a security hole and >demonstrate that I > could execute any arbitrary SQL against our database by passing it throug

Re: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread Curtis Poe
--- fliptop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think there are several things that help contribute to the testiness > of open source programmers in general: [snip] There are other reasons, too. Just today, I was asked to break a version of a Web site we were about to publically release. It took m

Re: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread fliptop
David Labatte wrote: > > heheheh now that all depends. If I run: > > perl -e'package hell; print *holes;' > > Then I get as output: > > *hell::holes > > Which actually more closely describes where programmers usually find > employment, not the programmers that are employed there. Commo

Re: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread David Labatte
heheheh now that all depends. If I run: perl -e'package hell; print *holes;' Then I get as output: *hell::holes Which actually more closely describes where programmers usually find employment, not the programmers that are employed there. Common mistake that. use strict and -w from now

Re: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread Mel Matsuoka
At 03:45 PM 07/13/2001 -0500, Camilo Gonzalez wrote: >I don't work with a lot of programmers. I hope to get into a situation where >I do. Is it fair to say the majority are *holes? A LOT of them are (just read c.l.p.m ;), but thier saving grace is that you can learn a LOT from them if you don't t

RE: Nasty

2001-07-13 Thread Bradley M. Handy
Honestly, I don't think it would be fair to say that. > -Original Message- > From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Nasty > > > I don't work with a lot of programmers. I hope to get into a > situation w