At 03:45 PM 07/13/2001 -0500, Camilo Gonzalez wrote: >I don't work with a lot of programmers. I hope to get into a situation where >I do. Is it fair to say the majority are *holes? A LOT of them are (just read c.l.p.m ;), but thier saving grace is that you can learn a LOT from them if you don't take thier impatience and terseness personally. It seems that one of the downsides to being a knowledgable programmer is that you constantly have scads of "grasshoppers" constantly asking you how to do this or how to do that, when they should be trying to figure it out for themselves first. Even gurus like Randal can get pretty testy sometimes (and rightfully so), but I'd like to think that for the most part, this doesn't reflect thier general personality on the whole. In fact I've met Randal in "real life" (at the CNET Builder.com Live! '98 conference in New Orleans..I'm sure you don't remember, Randal ;)), and he is really a cool guy. Basically, have fun, and don't take things personally. Remember that "impatience" is one of the three great virtues of a programmer that Larry Wall speaks of :) Aloha, mel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]