Re: how to build a mailing list for Perl beginners

2013-10-26 Thread John SJ Anderson
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how to build a mailing list for Perl beginners

2013-10-26 Thread htchd7ji
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climbing the Perl learning curve

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
someone wrote: Thanks a lot ! I can see you are really exceptional among these Perl monks:) Thank you for the complement, but I still have a lot to learn in a number of areas. It's a multifaceted game, and we're all at different stages. The people on the Perl Beginners list help me, so I tr

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread Rob Dixon
On 26/10/2013 23:55, David Christensen wrote: On 10/26/13 04:28, htchd...@live.com wrote: How about python? Many people consider it's better than Perl and it becomes more and more popular. There are a lot of really smart people who like Python. Maybe, but it seems that you are not one of th

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Rob Dixon
On 26/10/2013 13:59, Shawn H Corey wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:28:09 -0400 wrote: How about python? Many people consider it's better than Perl and it becomes more and more popular. This is why: Why what? I assume you're promoting Python, which is a bit strange on this list. > > $ pyth

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:54:12AM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:06:56 +0530 > Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > i've been searching for books on learning and mastering perl and found > > the series by o'reilly to be quite well recommended. > > Another O'Reilly book is "Perl Bes

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 02:13:51PM -0700, John SJ Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > A pseudo-tangential question; > > Under the platform, I could do "apt-get install perltidy" to install > > perltidy, but there's nothing similar for perlcritic. > > Is

Re: meta on OT posts

2013-10-26 Thread John SJ Anderson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM, David Christensen wrote: > 1. I'm interested in hearing opinions about other computer programming > languages and how they compare to Perl. Not on topic for this list. > 5. "You get more flies with sugar than you do with salt." This list is > supposed to be f

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:09:59 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > The mail server offers the following description for this list: > > http://lists.perl.org/list/beginners.html > > A list for beginning Perl programmers to ask questions in a > friendly atmosphere. > > > So, if you're

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread Ed Davis
A very 'real world' point and that's true in my experiences. I favour perl and it's my 'go to' but sometimes it's not the best solution. It IS a great 'in' and enables people to go from non-coders to the sort of people who knock up scripts in a few min to do stuff GUI users would take days to o

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
On 10/26/13 16:42, htchd...@live.com wrote: 1, I don't know what's OT ? The mail server offers the following description for this list: http://lists.perl.org/list/beginners.html A list for beginning Perl programmers to ask questions in a friendly atmosphere. So, if you're a begi

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
On 10/26/13 16:25, Ed Davis wrote: > I would think the question being asked isn't 'OT' which is namely: what's runtime v compile time ... (and Python's .pyc's are sort of in the middle). Id think a beginners list first task would be to help you make the choice? There are a number of dimensio

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread htchd7ji
Thank you and good weekend! > On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:46 PM, "Ed Davis" wrote: > > OT = off topic. Compile time (compiler languages) v Runtime (scripting > languages) ... Google it!;). Good luck! > >> On 27 Oct 2013, at 00:42, wrote: >> >> To answer your questions: >> 1, I don't know what's O

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread Ed Davis
OT = off topic. Compile time (compiler languages) v Runtime (scripting languages) ... Google it!;). Good luck! > On 27 Oct 2013, at 00:42, wrote: > > To answer your questions: > 1, I don't know what's OT ? Can't say anything. > 2, I asked a question to make decision by my own. > > >> On Oct 2

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread htchd7ji
To answer your questions: 1, I don't know what's OT ? Can't say anything. 2, I asked a question to make decision by my own. > On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:25 PM, "Ed Davis" wrote: > > I would think the question being asked isn't 'OT' which is namely: what's > runtime v compile time ... (and Python's

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread Ed Davis
I would think the question being asked isn't 'OT' which is namely: what's runtime v compile time ... (and Python's .pyc's are sort of in the middle). Id think a beginners list first task would be to help you make the choice? > On 27 Oct 2013, at 00:15, wrote: > > Thanks for answering my quest

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread htchd7ji
Thanks for answering my question. I'm certainly not an advocate for either languages, since I don't even know much about them. I learned Perl first and recently my colleagues suggested me to learn python. So, the struggle begins. I searched online about this topic and only found one scientific

Re: OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread Ed Davis
I got past the white space sensitivity through determination (using vi) and through sensible solutions (eventually using BB Edit on my mace which can '4 space tab equiv'). I use both but find perl fits my work well and so my second language has become JS. I support that this is not a language v

meta on OT posts

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
On 10/26/13 14:08, John SJ Anderson wrote: > Python advocacy is very much off-topic. On 10/26/13 14:24, htchd...@live.com wrote: What's the big deal to compare these 2 languages? On 10/26/13 14:35, Shawn H Corey wrote: > Because some of the early advocates for Python trash-talked Perl. And > P

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
On 10/26/13 04:31, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: I have watched Python programmers pull their hair out trying to bring the performace upto acceptable limits and resource usage under control. As soon as their programs increase in complexity, the problems with Python start becoming evident. IMNSHO I've f

OT: Python

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
On 10/26/13 04:28, htchd...@live.com wrote: How about python? Many people consider it's better than Perl and it becomes more and more popular. There are a lot of really smart people who like Python. There are a lot of useful Python programs, and a lot of useful programs that incorporate and/

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread David Christensen
On 10/26/13 03:36, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > hi, this is my first mail to this list, and the first time i'll be > working with perl. Welcome! :-) > i've been searching for books on learning and mastering perl and found > the series by o'reilly to be quite well recommended. > would i be right in

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread John SJ Anderson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM, wrote: > I'm a newbie of programming and want to know the differences between these 2 > tools. I believe every newbie is curious to know the truth instead of some > junk posts online. > > What's the big deal to compare these 2 languages? Simply because this is a

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread John SJ Anderson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Shawn H Corey wrote: > There are many things in it, like "Don't use the two-argument open," > which are relevant. part of the problem is that many of the older Perl > sources are out of date. PBP does tell what to use instead. All of the Perl books that have been

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:24:34 -0400 wrote: > What's the big deal to compare these 2 languages? Simply because this > is an old topic? Because some of the early advocates for Python trash-talked Perl. And Perlers, wanting to show that they can be equally immature, trash-talked back. There is just

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread htchd7ji
I'm a newbie of programming and want to know the differences between these 2 tools. I believe every newbie is curious to know the truth instead of some junk posts online. What's the big deal to compare these 2 languages? Simply because this is an old topic? > On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:08 PM, "

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:13:51 -0700 John SJ Anderson wrote: > You should also know that, Shawn's endorsement not withstanding, many > people consider the advice given in Perl Best Practices to be a bit of > a mixed bag. There are some good tips in there, but they're mixed in > with a bunch of fair

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread John SJ Anderson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > A pseudo-tangential question; > Under the platform, I could do "apt-get install perltidy" to install > perltidy, but there's nothing similar for perlcritic. > Is perlcritic packaged under a different name? or is there a different > way to i

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread John SJ Anderson
Hi. This is the _Perl_ beginners list. Python advocacy is very much off-topic. If you'd like to stay and talk about Perl programming, please do. If you'd like to advocate for Python, please take that conversation some where else. thanks, john, the perl-beginners list mom. On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:54:12AM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:06:56 +0530 > Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > i've been searching for books on learning and mastering perl and found > > the series by o'reilly to be quite well recommended. > > Another O'Reilly book is "Perl Bes

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Robert Freiberger
I really enjoyed reading this book by Ovid. http://ofps.oreilly.com/titles/9781118013847/ Felt it was much easier to understand then the Learning Perl 6th edition I was reading before. On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Shawn H Corey wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:06:56 +0530 > Mayuresh Kathe

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:06:56 +0530 Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > i've been searching for books on learning and mastering perl and found > the series by o'reilly to be quite well recommended. Another O'Reilly book is "Perl Best Practice" by Damian Conway. Much of this book has been incorporated into Pe

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 04:47:47PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > btw, most people and web pages don't mention it, but, "mastering > algorithms with perl" is also supposedly a good book, though only a very > old edition is available. It is, indeed, and excellent book. And it doesn't really matte

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:28:09 -0400 wrote: > How about python? > Many people consider it's better than Perl and it becomes more and > more popular. This is why: $ python Python 2.7.4 (default, Sep 26 2013, 03:20:26) [GCC 4.7.3] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for mor

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
I have watched Python programmers pull their hair out trying to bring the performace upto acceptable limits and resource usage under control. As soon as their programs increase in complexity, the problems with Python start becoming evident. So, thanks, but, no thanks, I'd rather go with Perl inste

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread htchd7ji
How about python? Many people consider it's better than Perl and it becomes more and more popular. > On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:23 AM, "Bob goolsby" wrote: > > "Learning Perl", Schwartz, Phoenix, defoy, and others, (AKA The Llama Book) > is the best introductory book on Perl. The book is entertai

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Bob goolsby
"Learning Perl", Schwartz, Phoenix, defoy, and others, (AKA The Llama Book) is the best introductory book on Perl. The book is entertaining, enlightening, and in it's sixth edition -- it's that good. Perl will change how you look at Computer languages. There are two mottoes in the Perl World: "T

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 02:04:15PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi Mayuresh, > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:06:56 +0530 > Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > hi, this is my first mail to this list, and the first time i'll be > > working with perl. > > > > i've been searching for books on learning and master

Re: hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Mayuresh, On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:06:56 +0530 Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > hi, this is my first mail to this list, and the first time i'll be > working with perl. > > i've been searching for books on learning and mastering perl and found > the series by o'reilly to be quite well recommended. > >

hello from a newbie

2013-10-26 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
hi, this is my first mail to this list, and the first time i'll be working with perl. i've been searching for books on learning and mastering perl and found the series by o'reilly to be quite well recommended. would i be right in my assumption about the o'reilly books being good? if not, are ther