Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-30 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wouldn't these databases CHANGE anyway -- do the files stay exactly the same if nothing is written to them? How about if they are read, etc. I personally don't know, but my feeling is 99% of the time, the files would change at least subtly. Michael Ko

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-30 Thread Georg Altmann
--On Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 09:07 -0800 Robert Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could always do the checksum and copy before the backup. > > Just dump the files to a different directory. Then copy the files that > have changed to the directory that gets backed up. Good point. My su

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-30 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Thursday 30 November 2006 16:10, Michael Koppelman wrote: > That's metadata. The _data_ hasn't changed. I repeat it is wasteful > to back up *data* that has not changed. Some programs are smart > enough to do this. > > I've also pointed out that we can have it both ways, if we want. > App

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-30 Thread Michael Koppelman
That's metadata. The _data_ hasn't changed. I repeat it is wasteful to back up *data* that has not changed. Some programs are smart enough to do this. I've also pointed out that we can have it both ways, if we want. Apparently some people would rather back up the same identical data over a

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-30 Thread Alan Brown
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Michael Koppelman wrote: > Yes we could. It doesn't change the fact, in my opinion, that is it > wasteful to back up files that have not changed. They have changed - their mtime has altered. - Take Surv

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-29 Thread Michael Koppelman
" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] checksums > To: "'Michael Koppelman'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Dan Langille'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <[EMAIL

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-29 Thread Robert Nelson
: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:03 AM To: Dan Langille Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] checksums For us it's a problem because we are dumping out some very large databases, some of which change daily but many which do not. We'd like to dump the

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-29 Thread Michael Koppelman
For us it's a problem because we are dumping out some very large databases, some of which change daily but many which do not. We'd like to dump the files out every night and just have bacula back up the changed files. The unchanged files were recreated but are still identical to previous ve

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-28 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 00:26, Michael Koppelman wrote: > Sorry if this is redundant but I just wanted to add my voice to the > mix that it is too bad that bacula backs up files that have not > changed just because their mtime changed. In the end, it is probably > less expensive to chec

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-28 Thread Grant Hess
Dan Langille wrote: On 28 Nov 2006 at 17:26, Michael Koppelman wrote: Sorry if this is redundant but I just wanted to add my voice to the mix that it is too bad that bacula backs up files that have not changed just because their mtime changed. I have never seen it a

Re: [Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-28 Thread Dan Langille
On 28 Nov 2006 at 17:26, Michael Koppelman wrote: > Sorry if this is redundant but I just wanted to add my voice to the > mix that it is too bad that bacula backs up files that have not > changed just because their mtime changed. I have never seen it as a problem. > In the end, it is probabl

[Bacula-users] checksums

2006-11-28 Thread Michael Koppelman
Sorry if this is redundant but I just wanted to add my voice to the mix that it is too bad that bacula backs up files that have not changed just because their mtime changed. In the end, it is probably less expensive to checksum than move and handle redundant data. It would at least be nice