Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-07-02 Thread Alan Brown
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My two cents: > > May be could be possible for bacula-fd to collect/transmit to bacula-dir > the creation/modification time for each file to be backed up and add > this two values into two new fields for file table. In case of 'near X > time' restore,

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-07-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
El lun, 02-07-2007 a las 13:35 +0100, Alan Brown escribió: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Steen wrote: > > > On Tuesday 26 June 2007 15:16:31 Alan Brown wrote: > >> > >> Fortunately in bacula, 90% of the work is already done - there is a file > >> database in place. > > So the database does not know of del

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-07-02 Thread Alan Brown
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Steen wrote: > On Tuesday 26 June 2007 15:16:31 Alan Brown wrote: >> >> Fortunately in bacula, 90% of the work is already done - there is a file >> database in place. > So the database does not know of deleted files - only changed and added files. An extra field can take care

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-07-02 Thread Steen
Søndag 01 juli 2007 23:18 skrev Arno Lehmann: > Currently, I think that I will present my feature request / voting > system in the next few days, and that it should be usable in a few weeks. > > Arno Looking forward to that :-) -- Cheers Steen ---

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-07-01 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 01.07.2007 00:48,, Steen wrote:: ... > I once suggested that we could create another supplementary kind of 'vote and > donation' system, where we could sign in for a donation of a specific sum of > money for specific implementations, and then if the work is not done - > nothing is paid. If

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-30 Thread Steen
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 15:16:31 Alan Brown wrote: > > Fortunately in bacula, 90% of the work is already done - there is a file > database in place. So the database does not know of deleted files - only changed and added files. But there is also a snapshot functionality - that you can use to verif

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-30 Thread Steen
On Monday 25 June 2007 19:50:09 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What scares me is that this issue must be more than one year old, and > nobody ever really complained or did something about it. Well - many voted for it on the last vote - many discusions were on this list during the last year Some alread

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-28 Thread Brenden Phillips
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Hoogendyk Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 8:56 AM To: Martin Simmons Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-28 Thread Alan Brown
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > I've never had much call to do full recoveries with incrementals added > on. I guess Sun hardware with mirroring just doesn't fail often enough. > ;-) I've had to do it once for hardware reasons (stray piece of RF shield shorted out backplane on an M

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-28 Thread Martin Simmons
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:55:42 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk said: > > Martin Simmons wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:46:01 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk said: > >> > >> Martin Simmons wrote: > >> > >> Because it is not a bug, it is the way things work. > >> > >

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-27 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Martin Simmons wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:46:01 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk said: >> >> Martin Simmons wrote: >> >> Because it is not a bug, it is the way things work. >> >> "... given standard backup algorithms "

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-27 Thread Martin Simmons
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:46:01 -0400, Chris Hoogendyk said: > > Martin Simmons wrote: > Because it is not a bug, it is the way things work. > > >> "... given standard backup algorithms " > >> > >> > Many commercial > backup softwares have exactly the same

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-27 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Martin Simmons wrote: Because it is not a bug, it is the way things work. >> "... given standard backup algorithms " >> >> Many commercial backup softwares have exactly the same problem. >>> I would never use or even pay such a backup software.

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-27 Thread Alan Brown
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Martin Simmons wrote: >> See above. There are very few enterprise-grade packages which can do >> "snapshot" restores via incrementals and they cost a great deal of money. > > Ironically, lots of open source unix backup systems do implement it! Yes, but only for smaller packag

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-26 Thread Martin Simmons
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:16:31 +0100 (BST), Alan Brown said: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Someone's got to do the work. Looks like someone has been doing > >> preliminary work on it as of late, but I don't expect that it will be > > in > >> Bacula 2.2 (I could be w

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-26 Thread Alan Brown
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > Portability is an interesting question. Hammers vs screwdrivers. Bacula is a backup solution, not a data transport one. In any case, one doesn't need a Bacula installation to retrieve a tape's contents - merely bextract. k --

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-26 Thread Alan Brown
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone's got to do the work. Looks like someone has been doing preliminary work on it as of late, but I don't expect that it will be in Bacula 2.2 (I could be wrong), so it will be awhile. Maybe this is a pain in the a** for a lot of people here

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-26 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Arno Lehmann wrote: > Hi, > > 25.06.2007 23:58,, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:: > >> Kern Sibbald wrote: >> >>> You should read what Linus has to say about dump! I don't remember his >>> exact >>> words but something to the effect that "yes, it seems to work, but if you >>> really understood

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kern Sibbald schrieb: > > Here is a nice quote I found the other day that is may be appropriate -- > though I don't want to imply that any Bacula users are ingrates: > > "Linux users can, at times, be the worst kind of ingrates, whining and >complaining about what they perceive as missing f

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-26 Thread Rich
On 2007.06.25. 23:04, Ryan Novosielski wrote: ... >> Imagine your Sitation: The whole server goes down. You have a 10 Days >> old full backup and 9 incrementals. >> >> Now you bring the system back up but with inconsitent files and >> contents?! >> >> Try to explain that to you boss or the company

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 00:53, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Kern Sibbald wrote: > > You should read what Linus has to say about dump! I don't remember his > > exact words but something to the effect that "yes, it seems to work, but if > > you really understood kernel caching, you would realize that it

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 25.06.2007 23:58,, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:: > > Kern Sibbald wrote: >> You should read what Linus has to say about dump! I don't remember his >> exact >> words but something to the effect that "yes, it seems to work, but if you >> really understood kernel caching, you would realize that it

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Sweetser
Kern Sibbald wrote: > You should read what Linus has to say about dump! I don't remember his > exact words but something to the effect that "yes, it seems to work, but if > you really understood kernel caching, you would realize that it cannot work > and that one day you will get burned." That's

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Kern Sibbald wrote: > You should read what Linus has to say about dump! I don't remember his exact > words but something to the effect that "yes, it seems to work, but if you > really understood kernel caching, you would realize that it cannot work and > that one day you will get burned." Th

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 25.06.2007 23:35,, Kern Sibbald wrote:: ... > Here is a nice quote I found the other day that is may be appropriate -- > though I don't want to imply that any Bacula users are ingrates: Oh, I try to be as polite as possible :-) More seriously: I don't think Mario was whining, but rather is

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Kern Sibbald
On Monday 25 June 2007 22:45, Arno Lehmann wrote: > Hi, > > 25.06.2007 18:32,, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:: > > Hello List, Hello Kern, > > > > i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore > > feature. > > I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted featur

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Ryan Novosielski wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I would never use or even pay such a backup software. > >> > >> I am planing it to use it in companies, not at home for my desktop. > >> > >> Imagine your Sitation: The whole server goes down. You have a 10 Day

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 25.06.2007 18:32,, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:: > Hello List, Hello Kern, > > i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore > feature. > I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted feature > it think. > > My questions: > - How long will it take until m

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread ml
Hi, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Hello List, Hello Kern, > >>> > >>> i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore > >>> feature. > >>> I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted > > feature > >>> it think. > >>> > >>>

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Hello List, Hello Kern, >>> >>> i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore >>> feature. >>> I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted > feature >>>

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread ml
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello List, Hello Kern, > > > > i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore > > feature. > > I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted feature > > it think. > > > > My questions: > > - How long will it take until moved or

Re: [Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread Ryan Novosielski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello List, Hello Kern, > > i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore > feature. > I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted feature > it think. > > My questions: > - How lon

[Bacula-users] The thing with restoring Moved and Deleted files

2007-06-25 Thread ml
Hello List, Hello Kern, i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore feature. I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted feature it think. My questions: - How long will it take until moved or deleted files will be reconized ? - Is there a workaround ?