Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Miles Bader
Ralf Hemmecke writes: > Is there actually a good reason, why the autotools are distributed as > separate packages (autoconf, automake, libtool, m4)? (Maybe even > pkg-config, but I still don't yet know exactly whether it is good for > me.) Hmm, why not? Isn't it good general practice to split up

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
* Eric Blake wrote on Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 01:04:31AM CET: > On 02/23/2011 05:02 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > The question "libtool reorders link fags" seems to have a > > spelling error in the last word. It's not obvious to me what > > word is meant. > > flags Fixed now, thanks for the report. Ralf

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Eric Blake
On 02/23/2011 05:02 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote: > The question "libtool reorders link fags" seems to have a > spelling error in the last word. It's not obvious to me what > word is meant. flags -- Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com+1-801-349-2682 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org si

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Ben Pfaff
The question "libtool reorders link fags" seems to have a spelling error in the last word. It's not obvious to me what word is meant. -- Ben Pfaff http://benpfaff.org

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Sure. But it is also relevant if one developer adds a macro which is only available in some recent version of automake, say. Another developer might not yet have that automake version. It doesn't really seem any worse than _any_ potential tool incompatibility problem -- compiler version, library

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 13:17 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: > > Sure. But it is also relevant if one developer adds a macro which is > > only available in some recent version of automake, say. Another > > developer might not yet have that automake version. > > It doesn't really

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hello, * Miles Bader wrote on Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:17:29AM CET: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: > > Sure. But it is also relevant if one developer adds a macro which is > > only available in some recent version of automake, say. Another > > developer might not yet have that automake version. > > It do

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-23 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hello Ralf, * Ralf Hemmecke wrote on Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:30:21PM CET: > I'm just reading the current FAQ under > > 1.3 Where can I get the latest versions of these tools? > > http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/faq/autotools-faq.html#Where-can-I-get-the-latest-versions-of-these-tools_003f >

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-22 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
* Ralf Hemmecke wrote on Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:41:20PM CET: > http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/faq/autotools-faq.html#How-do-I-add-a-question-to-this-FAQ_003f > > Do you think, it would be a good idea to just open up a git repo (on > github.com, for example) and put the autotools-faq.texi fi

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-22 Thread Miles Bader
Ralf Hemmecke writes: > Sure. But it is also relevant if one developer adds a macro which is > only available in some recent version of automake, say. Another > developer might not yet have that automake version. It doesn't really seem any worse than _any_ potential tool incompatibility problem -

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-22 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 22:30 +0100, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > That Linux distributions usually come with a good set of autotools is > irrelevant, since in my understanding all developers of *one* project > should work with the *same* autotools versions. Of course, the project > might also compile oth

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-22 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 02/22/2011 11:35 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 22:30 +0100, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: That Linux distributions usually come with a good set of autotools is irrelevant, since in my understanding all developers of *one* project should work with the *same* autotools versions. Of course,

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-22 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/faq/autotools-faq.html#How-do-I-add-a-question-to-this-FAQ_003f Do you think, it would be a good idea to just open up a git repo (on github.com, for example) and put the autotools-faq.texi file there? Or is there already a git repo for this? Ralf

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-22 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
I'm just reading the current FAQ under 1.3 Where can I get the latest versions of these tools? http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/faq/autotools-faq.html#Where-can-I-get-the-latest-versions-of-these-tools_003f Wouldn't it be useful to give a little script that installs know-good combinations

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-21 Thread Glenn Morris
Glenn Morris wrote (on Mon, 21 Feb 2011 at 16:08 -0500): > Maybe you could turn on the Mailman subject_prefix option for your > lists? Actually, that might interfere with how debbugs recognizes replies to existing bug reports that get sent to eg bug-automake rather than ###@debbugs. It might cau

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-21 Thread Glenn Morris
> > However, my biggest concern is that right now, I filter both > > autoconf and automake messages into the same mail folder, but > > debbugs anonymizes which list a bug is being reported against > > (that is, the To: is rewritten as ###@debbugs.gnu.org, so there is > > no longer any mention of '

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-21 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hi Eric, * Eric Blake wrote on Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 03:24:01PM CET: > On 02/13/2011 11:12 AM, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: > > 1) Autoconf and Libtool should also use debbugs. > > > > bug-automake has switched a few months ago, and I find it helpful to > > avoid losing reports. Given that we never hav

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-21 Thread Eric Blake
On 02/13/2011 11:12 AM, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: > [ Cross post; Reply-To and Mail-Followup-To set. Please followup to > the automake list only, to avoid excessive spammage. Thank you. ] > > Hello everyone, > > I've been advertising debbugs before, I think we should be a good > example. So, t

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-21 Thread Eric Blake
On 02/19/2011 06:50 PM, Russell Shaw wrote: > Looking through a ./configure script, i see lots of things being done > with file descriptors >&5 and >&6. What is going on here? eg: The example only showed use of >&5. > eval ac_try_echo="\"\$as_me:${as_lineno-$LINENO}: $ac_try_echo\"" > $as_echo "$

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-19 Thread Russell Shaw
On 20/02/11 06:10, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: Hi Russell, * Russell Shaw wrote on Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:00:14AM CET: I'd ask more about how the internals of ./configure and autoconf works. Can you formulate more specific questions? And questions on how to make bison get handled without being

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-19 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hi Russell, * Russell Shaw wrote on Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:00:14AM CET: > I'd ask more about how the internals of ./configure and autoconf works. Can you formulate more specific questions? > And questions on how to make bison get handled without being forced to > mimic standard yacc. I've adde

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-19 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hello everyone, * Ralf Wildenhues wrote on Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:12:02PM CET: > 2) Autotools should have a FAQ document. I've done a brain dump now, here's a rough initial version: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/faq/autotools-faq.html and http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/faq/autotools

Re: debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-14 Thread Russell Shaw
On 14/02/11 05:12, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: [ Cross post; Reply-To and Mail-Followup-To set. Please followup to the automake list only, to avoid excessive spammage. Thank you. ] Hello everyone, I've been advertising debbugs before, I think we should be a good example. So, two proposals: 1

debbugs, and a FAQ, for Autotools

2011-02-13 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
[ Cross post; Reply-To and Mail-Followup-To set. Please followup to the automake list only, to avoid excessive spammage. Thank you. ] Hello everyone, I've been advertising debbugs before, I think we should be a good example. So, two proposals: 1) Autoconf and Libtool should also use debbug