DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Charles Walker
On 20 July 2013 16:28, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> FOOL (28) >> Machiavelli > > CoE: Machiavelli was inactive at the time of eir ballot, making it > invalid (Rule 683). Admitted. This would give Fool 24 votes and result in omd being Speaker. Ho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charles Walker wrote: > Since I missed the time limit for initiation by a few hours, the > decision was never actually initiated. I believe the precedent is that the CAN lasts until the action is performed, as the obligation persists as well. -scshunt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Charles Walker
On 20 July 2013 16:59, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> Since I missed the time limit for initiation by a few hours, the >> decision was never actually initiated. > > I believe the precedent is that the CAN lasts until the action is > performed, as t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Walker wrote: >> I believe the precedent is that the CAN lasts until the action is >> performed, as the obligation persists as well. > > omd recently argued that an obligation does not persist after the > deadline (with regard to awarding yaks). I don't th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: > > Since I missed the time limit for initiation by a few hours, the > > decision was never actually initiated. > > I believe the precedent is that the CAN lasts until the action is > performed, as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, omd wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Walker > wrote: > >> I believe the precedent is that the CAN lasts until the action is > >> performed, as the obligation persists as well. > > > > omd recently argued that an obligation does not persist after the > > dea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I just remember the result, and that's how we've been playing in > general (e.g. if I awarded a Herald award after a time limit, > no one said it failed). I don't remember logic or rules needed to > back it up, so I don't know if that interpr

DIS: Re: OFF: [Sensei] What's going on in Okinawa? Now with labelled axes!

2013-07-20 Thread Tanner Swett
On Jul 20, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Charles Walker wrote: > > --LATITUDE -- > > |-4|-3|-2|-1| 0| 1| 2| 3| 4 > | - > | 4| | | |G.| |G.| |G.| >- > 3| | | |G.|G.|G.|G.|G.|G. >-

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Sensei] What's going on in Okinawa? Now with labelled axes!

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Charles Walker wrote: > you're right. Sensei. resign I quite Yes I can reconstruct the board and publish all the moves to date for confirmation (did so already privately), but I can't assume Sensei for a couple weeks because I'm traveling at the moment.

DIS: Re: BUS: meh

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, comex wrote: > Proposal: No scam TIME OUTs (AI=2) > > Amend Rule 1504 by replacing "When a sentence of TIME OUT goes into > effect" with "When a sentence of TIME OUT has been in effect > continuously for four days". > > [12:28 < eelpout> So I was going to: TIME OUT you, res

DIS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:58 PM, omd wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Charles Walker > wrote: >> I hereby resolve the Agoran decision to elect the Speaker. > > This is also probably insufficiently clear, as it sounds like a > standard election rather than a General one. I intend to de

DIS: Re: BUS: meh

2013-07-20 Thread Fool
On 20/07/2013 12:56 PM, omd wrote: When a sentence of TIME OUT has been in effect continuously for one week, the ninny becomes inactive, and eir stasis timer increases by the specified amount. I think we could also be clearer about when a sentence is in effect. At the mome

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2013-07-20 Thread Fool
On 19/07/2013 10:47 PM, James Beirne wrote: >If the rules were to change to allow players to be bound to a constitution they did not agree to, why would that be considered an "agreement"? If two people agreed to that party's constitution it would be an agreement, just not one that all bound pla

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: meh

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: > On 20/07/2013 12:56 PM, omd wrote: > >When a sentence of TIME OUT has been in effect continuously for > >one week, the ninny becomes inactive, and eir stasis timer > >increases by the specified amount. > > I think we could also be cleare

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: > On 19/07/2013 10:47 PM, James Beirne wrote: > > >If the rules were to change to allow players to be bound to a > > constitution they did not agree to, why would that be considered an > > "agreement"? > > > > If two people agreed to that party's constitution it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2013-07-20 Thread Fool
On 20/07/2013 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: In theory, you can still, also, publish a body of text and say " I agree to this text, the first person to vote FOR proposal 5000 thereby consents to join and make this an agreement". I don't get it. Without R101 iii, the above would do what? My sense

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2013-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: > On 20/07/2013 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > In theory, you can still, also, publish a body of text and say " I agree > > to this text, the first person to vote FOR proposal 5000 thereby consents > > to join and make this an agreement". > > I don't get it. Wit

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, omd wrote: > Amend Rule 2389 (Ordinary Chamber) to read: > > Voting Tokens are a class of assets tracked by the Assessor. > Each Voting Token has an ID number and an Expiration Date, upon > which it is automatically destroyed. How about a timer t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > How about a timer to expiration? Could use a timer, but not much point, since there is no reason for an expiration timer to pause. > And I'm a fan of platonic destruction > here. You mean pragmatic? I could change it to pragmatic, but because

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM, omd wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Sean Hunt > wrote: >> How about a timer to expiration? > > Could use a timer, but not much point, since there is no reason for an > expiration timer to pause. More flexibility this way. What if we want to make the to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > More flexibility this way. What if we want to make the tokens created > before the auction with paused timers, so that you know what you're > bidding on beforehand? You do know what you're bidding on with this proposal. But I guess it would sav

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread Fool
Create a Power-2 Rule titled "Auctions": Don't we already have an auction rule? Can we fix it or get rid of it? When in effect, unless a fine for that case has already been satisfied, the ninny SHALL pay a cost of that amount of currency to satisfy the fine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Fool wrote: >> Create a Power-2 Rule titled "Auctions": > Don't we already have an auction rule? Can we fix it or get rid of it? It was repealed. >> When in effect, unless >> a fine for that case has already been satisfied, the ninny >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread Fool
On 20/07/2013 3:30 PM, omd wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Fool wrote: Create a Power-2 Rule titled "Auctions": Don't we already have an auction rule? Can we fix it or get rid of it? It was repealed. Just looked, R2393 is in the SLR posted 12 hours ago. Do we want people to be a

Re: DIS: [Distributor] Date munging is back, receive-copies-of-own-mail default changed

2013-07-20 Thread Michael Slone
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:47 PM, omd wrote: >m.sl...@gmail.com Don't use me in support of your argument. Just because I'm not using a proper email client doesn't mean I have to like it. -- Michael Slone

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officer] And what you've all been waiting for...

2013-07-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 09:21 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I just remember the result, and that's how we've been playing in > general (e.g. if I awarded a Herald award after a time limit, > no one said it failed). I don't remember logic or rules needed to > back it up, so I don't know if that interp

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2013-07-20 Thread Charles Walker
On 20 Jul 2013 19:10, "omd" wrote: > Proposal: Infraction cases (AI=2, PF=25) FOR, but we should review the Classes of current crimes and upgrade a few SHALLs/SHALL NOTs to Crimes. If no one does so next week I'll look into it. Also, do we really need Classes of Crime? Could just have Infraction

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3358 assigned to OscarMeyr

2013-07-20 Thread Sgeo
This doesn't seem like it addresses the issue of Ambassador Abuse, although it wasn't mentioned in the CfJ itself. As far as I can tell, if Ambassador Abuse works, it would be required to be at the same time, and is there any reason that same time != same message? On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM,