Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >>> I think the game would be more interesting if each >>> crime had its own equity-style punishment. >> >> HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.  I like

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Elliott Hird
Equity grows teeth; fake teeth. (ancient Agoran proverb) On 2009-06-16, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >>> I think the game would be more interesting if each >>> crime had its own equity-style pun

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> I think the game would be more interesting if each >> crime had its own equity-style punishment. > > HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.  I like you.  -G. > > > > Thanks! Does this mean you actua

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > I think the game would be more interesting if each > crime had its own equity-style punishment. HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha. I like you. -G.

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> So having tried that one before, I think the right answer is just to >> convince appeals courts to be more ready to REASSIGN instead of REMAND in >> lazy cases; loss of salary plus loss of judicial rank would do fine if >> that happened

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty > sure defacing coins is. > When I thought of this, I assumed nobody would be good enough at it for it to count as a forgery. It's more of a creative thing, along the lines o

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> I disagree. Switching to REASSIGN doesn't deny salary, it just prevents >> excess salary from being earned. The judge still gets salary for >> judgments like "TRUE because pigs were on an airplane" or "FALSE >> because". Heck, you still get salary for "UNDETERMINED becau

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM, comex wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >>> In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not >>> doing anything fraudulent. >> >> I think it's not, but not because you're insulting the image of the >> person fe

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: >> In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not >> doing anything fraudulent. > > I think it's not, but not because you're insulting the image of the > person featured on the coin, but because you're stealing some of t

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Aaron Goldfein
> In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not > doing anything fraudulent. I think it's not, but not because you're insulting the image of the person featured on the coin, but because you're stealing some of the metal.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty > sure defacing coins is. I'm pretty sure forging banknotes is illegal just about everywhere. In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not doing an

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:30 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty > sure defacing coins is. Some of those laws are sensible (such as anti-counterfeit); others are holdovers from ages ago that nobody could be bothered to repeal. (There's an

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Elliott Hird
I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty sure defacing coins is. On 2009-06-15, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >>> So having tried that one before, I think the right answer is just to >>> convince appeals courts to be more ready to REASSIGN instead of REMAND in >>> lazy cases

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 21:22 +0900, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > More radically, I agree that Rests should go, or at the very least, be > reduced in scope. I think the game would be more interesting if each > crime had its own equity-style punishment. Making My Eyes Bleed, for > example, could requi

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 21:23 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > The punishments for breaking rules are not only disproportionate to the > penalties, but also completely out of proportion in general. Example: As > Tailor, I could publish "No one has any Ribbons." as my report. This > would, if left undoubted,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > Proposal: Harder on bad judges (II=1, AI=1.7, please) > { >     Amend rule 911 (Appeal Cases) by appending the following paragraph: >    "If an appeals panel delivers a judgement other than AFFIRM, it CAN destroy >     any Notes and/or Rib

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread comex
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Distributability is a mess and has significantly removed the > attractiveness of submitting proposals. It is an oversolution to the > problem of bad proposals getting into the system. Distributability has been around for a few days in its curren

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I disagree. Switching to REASSIGN doesn't deny salary, it just prevents >> excess salary from being earned. The judge still gets salary for >> judgments like "TRUE because pigs were on an a

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I disagree. Switching to REASSIGN doesn't deny salary, it just prevents > excess salary from being earned. The judge still gets salary for > judgments like "TRUE because pigs were on an airplane" or "FALSE > because". Heck, you still get salary fo

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hence REASSIGN. I'm much more inclined to jump straight to reassign > for merely token efforts, especially for those with histories of token > efforts. It will happen more. I think a bigger issue is the Callers, > actually; standards of evidence and case preparation are way

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > Distributability is a mess and has significantly removed the > attractiveness of submitting proposals. It is an oversolution to the > problem of bad proposals getting into the system. Seems to be working fine to me. Just because things used to be Free does

DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-14 Thread Sean Hunt
I think that if we retire Notes, we should retire Rests too. As it stands, Rests are the only punishment Agora has to offer for any infraction whatsoever, which is pretty bad. Consider: Distributability is a mess and has significantly removed the attractiveness of submitting proposals. It is an ov