Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:18 -0400, comex wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Benjamin Caplan > wrote: > > All this is far more complicated than it's worth. > > { > > Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph: > > A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
comex wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Benjamin Caplan > wrote: >> All this is far more complicated than it's worth. >> { >> Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph: >> � � �A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public >> � � �contract to which the person on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread Elliott Hird
Sucks The iPhone But I'm sorry On 2009-06-03, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> What about private contracts? > > It was suggested recently, and I think I agree, that private > act-on-behalf authorization is generally a Bad Thing because it makes it > difficult or impossible to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:18 PM, comex wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Benjamin Caplan > wrote: > > All this is far more complicated than it's worth. > > { > > Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph: > > A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread comex
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > All this is far more complicated than it's worth. > { > Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph: >      A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public >      contract to which the person on whose behalf e is acti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/3 Charles Reiss : >It is POSSIBLE to attorn if the attornee is party to a Public > contract explicitly permitting acting on behalf of the attornee. I think there is a bug in here allowing anyone to act on behalf of me even if the contract only permits, say, a contestmaster to do it. --

DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/3 Alex Smith : > An attornor CAN attorning to perform a specific action by announcement > if the attornee is party to a contract that specifically allows (...) Should this be "CAN attorn"? -- -Tiger

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > Where's that quote from originally? It sounds familiar. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/I_accidentally_X

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: > Pavitra wrote: > >> A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public >> contract to which the person on whose behalf e is acting is a >> party. > > "I accidentally to a-d. Is this dangerous?" > CAN *act* on behalf, good catch. Where's that quote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public > contract to which the person on whose behalf e is acting is a > party. "I accidentally to a-d. Is this dangerous?"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
All this is far more complicated than it's worth. { Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph: A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public contract to which the person on whose behalf e is acting is a party. }

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > What about private contracts? It was suggested recently, and I think I agree, that private act-on-behalf authorization is generally a Bad Thing because it makes it difficult or impossible to determine from publicly available information whether someone's attempt to cause

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 12:09 +0900, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > What about private contracts? The proposal's specifically designed to prevent attorning via private contracts. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
What about private contracts? On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: > On 6/2/09 3:38 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 00:12 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > > > >> 3. Immediately after an Agoran Decision is initiated, the Conservative > >> Party acts on behalf of e

DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On 6/2/09 3:38 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 00:12 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > >> 3. Immediately after an Agoran Decision is initiated, the Conservative >> Party acts on behalf of each of its parties to cause that party to vote >> on that decision with the option selected be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Sean Hunt wrote: > Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> Alex Smith wrote: >>> On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 18:32 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Alex Smith wrote: > attornee>'s behalf"). It is IMPOSSIBLE to attorn if: > - The action could be performed by the attornee by announcement, and > - At least

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 18:43 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Alex Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 18:32 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > >> Alex Smith wrote: > >> > attornee>'s behalf"). It is IMPOSSIBLE to attorn if: > >> > - The action could be performed by the attornee by announcement, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Sean Hunt
Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Alex Smith wrote: >> On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 18:32 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >>> Alex Smith wrote: attornee>'s behalf"). It is IMPOSSIBLE to attorn if: - The action could be performed by the attornee by announcement, and - At least one rule of power at leas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 18:32 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> Alex Smith wrote: >> > attornee>'s behalf"). It is IMPOSSIBLE to attorn if: >> > - The action could be performed by the attornee by announcement, and >> > - At least one rule of power at least 1.7 explicitly permits th

DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Alex Smith wrote: > attornee>'s behalf"). It is IMPOSSIBLE to attorn if: > - The action could be performed by the attornee by announcement, and > - At least one rule of power at least 1.7 explicitly permits the action, > and no rule forbids it, and > - The attornor is first-class. Surely this sh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:40 AM, comex wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Benjamin Caplan >> wrote: >>> �3. Immediately after an Agoran Decision is initiated, the Conservative >>> Party acts on behalf of each of its parties to cause that party to vote >>> on that dec

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:40 AM, comex wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Benjamin Caplan > wrote: >>  3. Immediately after an Agoran Decision is initiated, the Conservative >> Party acts on behalf of each of its parties to cause that party to vote >> on that decision with the option selecte

DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >  3. Immediately after an Agoran Decision is initiated, the Conservative > Party acts on behalf of each of its parties to cause that party to vote > on that decision with the option selected being party stance on that > decision as defined la