Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread comex
On Thursday 20 December 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: > (Ratification is a standing acknowledgment that > certain levels of difficulty aren't worth the effort.) Especially considering the amount of game actions Fookiemyartug has taken. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, Roger Hicks wrote: To be fair, I was not certain that Agora would accept Fookiemyartug's retroactivity mumbo-jumbo, hence my reason for stating that it was a test. I did however search the ruleset first to see if there was any clear conflict with my actions. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, Roger Hicks wrote: > To be fair, I was not certain that Agora would accept Fookiemyartug's > retroactivity mumbo-jumbo, hence my reason for stating that it was a > test. I did however search the ruleset first to see if there was any > clear conflict with my actions. In hindsi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, Zefram wrote: > We don't necessarily need to change the standard. We need to consider > whether the proposed loophole was actually believed by the offending > player. There must be a point beyond which we'd say that this player > can't actually have believed that the loophol

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, Roger Hicks wrote: > At the point in time where Fookiemyartug registered, the courts had > not established that concepts/objects created by contracts had no > bearing on Agora, except when recognized in equity court. I believe it > was actually the nkep scam that solidified t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Roger Hicks
On Dec 20, 2007 4:45 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find it difficult to say what BobTHJ could have honestly believed on > the balance of probabilities. Retroactivity doesn't seem at all like > the sort of thing that Agorans would be likely to allow, and I'm sure > a reasonable player w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >The standard needs to be "would a reasonable player with the same information >(including knowledge of motives) believe the same thing?" Otherwise, anyone >can always avoid punishment by saying "I believed that [through a completely >and utterly unbelievable loophole] I would b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Roger Hicks
On Dec 20, 2007 3:55 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, comex wrote: > > On 12/20/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The statements I made regarding Fookiemyartug I believed (through the > >> retroactivity clause) to be able to be proven true. > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, comex wrote: > On 12/20/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The statements I made regarding Fookiemyartug I believed (through the >> retroactivity clause) to be able to be proven true. > > Interesting; if e did, then not even an APOLOGY is appropriate. The standard

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1837-1838: notify BobTHJ

2007-12-20 Thread comex
On 12/20/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The statements I made regarding Fookiemyartug I believed (through the > retroactivity clause) to be able to be proven true. Interesting; if e did, then not even an APOLOGY is appropriate.