Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-28 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >On Jan 14, 2008 4:49 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You are obligated to deregister. Please, do not make any further game actions >> before I sic the equity court on you. >> >An obligation which I have the next seven days to fill. You're now well overdue to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > Ok, so the panel did say that the prior judge's ruling was "clearly > wrong", which was too strong a phrasing in retrospect. The arguments > used to support that statement indicated that the prior judge's > arguments were "clearly wrong", not necessarily ei

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 5:44 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see how you jump to that conclusion. SLIPPERY is not appropriate > if an appeals court rejects the decision. It has. SLIPPERY is, by definition, "appropriate if the information available to the judge is insufficient to det

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Zefram wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> That's rich, considering that you're showing a complete and utter >> misapplication, misapprehension, and misunderstanding of burden of proof >> in a criminal versus an inquiry trial. > > The "beyond reasonable doubt" bit applies only to w

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >That's rich, considering that you're showing a complete and utter >misapplication, misapprehension, and misunderstanding of burden of proof >in a criminal versus an inquiry trial. The "beyond reasonable doubt" bit applies only to whether the defendant performed the alleged act

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 5:26 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure. If an argument is coincidentally the right judgement > but for the wrong reasons, and is corrected in arguments either through > a concurring opinion or a new judgement, the original judgment might be > considered inap

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 5:05 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really should have added the issue of burden of proof to the judgement. > Reading eir arguments that led that way, I would assign the arguments an > "error rating" of 20-40% (as e made the arguments for "non-nomicness" but > didn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > ...So if IRRELEVANT were ultimately found to be appropriate in > 1860, then EXCUSED would be inappropriate in 1863 (it can't be true > that "the defendant could not reasonably avoid breaching the rules in > a manner at least as serious as that alleged"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 5:05 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I considered whether a reassigned judgement that was also "irrelevant" > would lead to INNOCENT, but since the arguments were rejected, I felt > that would still be "EXCUSED", so the excused vs. guilty are appropriate > choices. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Monday 14 January 2008 17:05:15 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 4:59 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I recommend EXILE for anything he is guilty of. > > Criminal sentences take a week to become active anyway. > > -root So? :p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 4:59 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recommend EXILE for anything he is guilty of. Criminal sentences take a week to become active anyway. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The appeals court has rejected BobTHJ's arguments given for CFJ 1860, >> so there are two choices; EXCUSED (following the precedent in CFJ 1804) >> or GUILTY. > > Not quite. We determined th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Monday 14 January 2008 16:56:28 Roger Hicks wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 4:49 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are obligated to deregister. Please, do not make any further game > > actions before I sic the equity court on you. > > An obligation which I have the next seven days

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Jan 14, 2008 4:53 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > > Arguments: As H. Goethe pointed out, there was no serious doubt over > > the appropriateness of the judgment in CFJ 1860. Instead the decision > > to REASSIGN was made based upon the appe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Jan 14, 2008 4:49 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are obligated to deregister. Please, do not make any further game actions > before I sic the equity court on you. > > An obligation which I have the next seven days to fill. BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > Arguments: As H. Goethe pointed out, there was no serious doubt over > the appropriateness of the judgment in CFJ 1860. Instead the decision > to REASSIGN was made based upon the appeal panel's distaste for the > bribery involved in my original judgment. R

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Monday 14 January 2008 16:43:10 Roger Hicks wrote: > On Jan 14, 2008 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As BobTHJ states, if a claim is made to something which is not a nomic, > > it is fairly reasonable to call the truth of the claim IRRELEVANT to > > R2159 ("false" might also

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863: assign Goethe

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The appeals court has rejected BobTHJ's arguments given for CFJ 1860, > so there are two choices; EXCUSED (following the precedent in CFJ 1804) > or GUILTY. Not quite. We determined that BobTHJ's arguments concerning irrelevance we