Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora v1.2

2007-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: "Ordinary" proposals are not the most common type. Maybe a reason for a different name, but "House" doesn't seem any better. How about "Skewed", to contrast with "Democratic"? As previously noted, the US House and Senate have voting strengths directly in line with their propose

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora v1.2

2007-10-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >There are currently no ways to make it irrational, and even if there >were, it would only last until the end of the week. Yes. Defining it to be restricted to rationals would have explanatory benefit. >I still think we should use sheqelim and agorot somewhere or other.) Yes, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora v1.2

2007-10-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: c) A non-negative number of planned districts (NPD), Could restrict that to "non-negative rational number". There are currently no ways to make it irrational, and even if there were, it would only last until the end of the week. Amend Rule 2126 (Votin

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora v1.2

2007-10-16 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >c) A non-negative number of planned districts (NPD), Could restrict that to "non-negative rational number". >Amend Rule 2126 (Voting Credits) by replacing "voting limits on >ordinary proposals" with "the redistricting process", and by replacing >each instance of "VVLOP"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora v1.1

2007-08-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Amend Rule 106 (Adopting Proposals) by replacing the paragraph containing "The adoption index of a proposal is" with this text: Since you've moved the change in the "Support Democracy" procedure to a separate proposal, this amendment to R106 should not be inserting the word "init

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora v1.1

2007-08-19 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >b) A non-negative integral number of districts (ND), The abbreviations are helpful. >or, if Proposal 5141 (make chokey reduce voting power) was adopted, You can collapse this conditional now. >Change the title of Rule 2126 to "In Soviet Russia, the government >controls

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-27 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >c) A non-negative number of planned districts, Much improved terminology. > When one or more players win the game, each state's number of > districts is set to its district baseline. Why the change to setting EVLOP directly? This breaks the week-based structu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 25, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: Would it be useful to revise the VC / Sheqelim / whatever name rule to append to this paragraph "... or by a proposal of power 3 or higher."? Perhaps, but I'd make it "... except by an instrument with power at least as great a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-25 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: >Would it be useful to revise the VC / Sheqelim / whatever name rule >to append to this paragraph "... or by a proposal of power 3 or >higher."? Perhaps, but I'd make it "... except by an instrument with power at least as great as the power of this rule.". De facto, an

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-25 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:32 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: Change the title of Rule 2126 to "In Soviet Russia, the government controls the economy", and amend it to read: Sheqels ($) are a measure of each player's ability to gerrymander the redistricting process. $ CANNOT be affected excep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-25 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Unnecessary generality. First come up with a method for non-reflexive registration that we might actually want to use. Not that we want to use it, but it's happened before. I believe you were around when Morendil became Speaker while not a Player, and thus inv

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-25 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Unnecessary generality. First come up with a method for >non-reflexive registration that we might actually want to use. Not that we want to use it, but it's happened before. I believe you were around when Morendil became Speaker while not a Player, and thus involuntarily became

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-24 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:32 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: Sheqels ($) are a measure of each player's ability to gerrymander the redistricting process. $ CANNOT be affected except as described in this rule. The in-language plural of "sheqel" is "sheqelim." - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM Os

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Each player has a State with one or more Districts, a Base, and a Constituency. These names are quite opaque as to the significance of the parameters, and the relationships that the names evoke don't match the behaviour of the concepts. "State" and "

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-24 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > Each player has a State with one or more Districts, a Base, and > a Constituency. These names are quite opaque as to the significance of the parameters, and the relationships that the names evoke don't match the behaviour of the concepts. Is it to be impossible to hav

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The substance is in fact that of proposal 5050, which was voted down. > > F/A was 4/2, and one of those 2 was me. (I think I misunderstood > the proposal's effect at the time.) I was the other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The substance is in fact that of proposal 5050, which was voted down. F/A was 4/2, and one of those 2 was me. (I think I misunderstood the proposal's effect at the time.) I was the other vote against, and the only reason I voted against was b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Peekee wrote: >What about all the devolved governments? They are unicameral, and use geographical constituencies, like the Commons. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Peekee
Quoting Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Ed Murphy wrote: I considered basing the renaming on Parliament, but I don't know how the houses' votes are weighted; In the House of Commons each member represents a constituency, which has sane geographical boundaries and represents an approximately equal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >I considered basing the renaming on Parliament, but I don't know >how the houses' votes are weighted; In the House of Commons each member represents a constituency, which has sane geographical boundaries and represents an approximately equal number of people. The constituency bo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Mostly just renaming things for flavor, but there is a bit of substance.] I dislike most of the renaming. Meh. I dislike abstract names. (In the first draft of the Card rules, everything operated directly on "pending draws"; it was later amende

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > Mostly just renaming things for flavor, but there is a >bit of substance.] I dislike most of the renaming. The substance is in fact that of proposal 5050, which was voted down. Please develop some new mechanics if you want to use the population concept. -zefram