DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 13:22, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I play Committee to make FIXME undistributable. > > I give notice that I intend to audit BobTHJ.  This proposal would > remove the loophole e created that will trivially allow someone to >

DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/30 Geoffrey Spear : > I give notice that I intend to audit BobTHJ.  This proposal would > remove the loophole e created that will trivially allow someone to > create 24 Rests in eir possession and deregister em, and if e wants to > block it's distribution I'll be happy to demonstrate. ouch

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Pavitra wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> And it's also true under the related legal maxim (not mathematical logic) >> of exceptio probat regulam (de rebus non exceptis). Overuse of >> mathematical symbolic constructs in the courts and in law makes us forget >> that legal logic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Pavitra
comex wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pavitra wrote: >> It occurs to me that R754(3) fails to establish a precedence relation >> between legal and mathematical definitions. > > I've never seen "if A, then B" used as iff as an _expression_-- to > answer "is it true that if A, then B?". I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread comex
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pavitra wrote: > It occurs to me that R754(3) fails to establish a precedence relation > between legal and mathematical definitions. I've never seen "if A, then B" used as iff as an _expression_-- to answer "is it true that if A, then B?". -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Pavitra
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: >>> 2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) >>> >>> Jesus >>> flippin' >>> Christ >>> on >>> a >>> pogo >>> stick >>> Please tell me this was a typo. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: >> 2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : >>> (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) >> >> Jesus >> flippin' >> Christ >> on >> a >> pogo >> stick >> Please tell me this was a typo. > > It's true for CANs on regulated th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : >> (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) > > Jesus > flippin' > Christ > on > a > pogo > stick > Please tell me this was a typo. It's true for CANs on regulated things because the default state is not Y.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > I don't see the equivalence. (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else > (not Y)) which is why it seems broken to me. I believe you're confusing "if" with "iff". Do we need to add IF,IMPLIES,SUFFICIENT and IFF,IF AND ONLY IF,NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT to MMI? signature.asc Des

DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Taral
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: > If the action is to be performed With Notice then there are no > restrictions are imposed on Agora being Satisfied with the intent. English please. -- Taral "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 16:52 +0100, ais523 wrote: > "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth value of Y if X turns out > to be true. That should read: > "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth value of Y if X turns > out to be false. Obviously, I suck at correcting things. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 16:52 +0100, ais523 wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 09:45 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > > I don't see the equivalence. (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else > > (not Y)) which is why it seems broken to me. > Err, no it doesn't. > > "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/28 Roger Hicks : > (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else (not Y)) Jesus flippin' Christ on a pogo stick Please tell me this was a typo.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 09:45 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > I don't see the equivalence. (If X then Y) implies (if X then Y else > (not Y)) which is why it seems broken to me. Err, no it doesn't. "If X then Y" implies nothing about the truth value of Y if X turns out to be true. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 09:22, comex wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> >> Well, to be honest the whole thing doesn't make sense. comex's >> arguments only further convinced me that the rule has been broken all >> along. I retract the above pro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: Well, to be honest the whole thing doesn't make sense. comex's arguments only further convinced me that the rule has been broken all along. I retract the above proposal (which wasn't distributable anyway because I forgot II

DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 08:47 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 16:35, Sean Hunt wrote: > > I submit the following proposal and play Distrib-u-Matic to make it > > Distributable: > > > > FIXME (II=1, AI=3) > > Why kill the rest of the otherwise functioning proposal? > > I play Com