Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> 1: Make transactions from the Head to Agora of exactly 1 shiny, for >> the sole purpose of paying for an Estate. > > Counterarguments: > > We've previously found that if you try to pay for somet

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread ATMunn
(or at least, one of the reasons) On 11/7/2017 8:30 PM, ATMunn wrote: This whole thing is why I want to get my Auctions proposal done as soon as possible... On 11/7/2017 8:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: The wording is different enough on Auctions versus typical spend actions that you still have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread ATMunn
This whole thing is why I want to get my Auctions proposal done as soon as possible... On 11/7/2017 8:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: The wording is different enough on Auctions versus typical spend actions that you still have a good chance IMO... On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Yup. Now looki

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
The wording is different enough on Auctions versus typical spend actions that you still have a good chance IMO... On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Yup. Now looking desperately for infinite-money scams brb. > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
Yup. Now looking desperately for infinite-money scams brb. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> > I don't remember that, but if you say so (and if there was a CFJ on >> > it). I'm happy to acc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > > I don't remember that, but if you say so (and if there was a CFJ on > > it). I'm happy to accept the card if I have to. > > No don't take my word for it. The argument depends on the pays/paid > grammar and that may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I don't remember that, but if you say so (and if there was a CFJ on > it). I'm happy to accept the card if I have to. No don't take my word for it. The argument depends on the pays/paid grammar and that may have been different for any other case, especially

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > The Estate Auction wording is: "The winner CAN cause Agora to transfer > the auctioned Estate to emself by announcement, IF E PAYS Agora the > amount of the bid". That's readable and should be read as > non-simultaneous: that is, the winner can get the estate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
I don't remember that, but if you say so (and if there was a CFJ on it). I'm happy to accept the card if I have to. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > That's not the situation I mean. I mean there was a transaction we > tested where someone did something like: > > "I pay 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
That's not the situation I mean. I mean there was a transaction we tested where someone did something like: "I pay 2 shinies to make a stamp; I pay 3 shinies to make a stamp." and it failed to make a 5-shiny stamp (and it didn't come down to exact wording, it was that it was found that you can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
You're right on 'spend' though. Spending Shinies needs to be explicitly defined somewhere as transferring them to Agora. I had also thought that this was settled. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > "(I mean, I'm perfectly ready to go with the interpretation that it works for > you,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
"(I mean, I'm perfectly ready to go with the interpretation that it works for you, but it also works for everything else and I can pay a 2 Shiny Pend fee by paying 1 shiny now and 1 in a week or something. That's why I was looking for the definitions that I thought we clarified but maybe never did

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > To be clear, I would look back at those recent precedents (I don't offhand > remember which cases or payments) to find the reasons for those judgements > before coming to a conclusion on this one. Both can't be right. (I mean, I'm perfectly ready to go

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
Well, both can be right. O's interpretation has reversed some transactions where, for example, someone was unable to buy a stamp and said "I transfer 5 shinies to agora to buy a stamp". Those 5 shinies could never have, in any case, led to buying a stamp, so the transaction was reversed on that bas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
That's a reasonable common interpretation, I agree. And your argument is plausible. But it's exactly *not* how we interpreted recent transactions. To be clear, I would look back at those recent precedents (I don't offhand remember which cases or payments) to find the reasons for those judgemen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread VJ Rada
I would disagree. If you said, for example "I'm eating all this fast food for the purpose of gaining 10 kg", that wouldn't be an untrue statement, even if the food was normal-sized and not 10 kilograms heavy. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
Yes, nichdel do you have that fixed version (without land) ready for another draft? If you're low on time I can make a draft. (I've got a simple Land version ready for that - not feature creep but replacement). On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > I'm not even surprised tbh basic income is a

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > 1: Make transactions from the Head to Agora of exactly 1 shiny, for > the sole purpose of paying for an Estate. Counterarguments: We've previously found that if you try to pay for something, and fail, the entire transaction fails. So the first attempt to p

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

2017-11-07 Thread Madeline
I'm not even surprised tbh basic income is a wreck on top of a wreck do we have an economic overhaul yet? pls don't get it delayed due to feature creep we need it ;_; On 2017-11-08 10:49, VJ Rada wrote: I spend 1 shiny to create the following Contract Name: Easy Off Scam: Cleaning Your Mold F