Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: > for something in between (believe that the action is successful under > a plausible interpretation of the rules?) because I don't think it > make sense to permit people to try to get actions past us long enough > to get into a ratified report when they

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: >> People will need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did not >> believe the action would be successful if you don't include a >> disclaimer. I don't think that's chillin

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: > People will need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did not > believe the action would be successful if you don't include a > disclaimer. I don't think that's chilling really. Even given the ridiculous level of criminal cases brought forward fo

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >>a) An attempted speech act is equivalent to a claim that the >> person will perform the action by sending the message. > > Why on earth are we codifying this? Fo

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >a) An attempted speech act is equivalent to a claim that the > person will perform the action by sending the message. Why on earth are we codifying this? For years, we have not punished folks for merely failing to perform an action. The

Re: DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >a) An attempted speech act is equivalent to a claim that the > person will perform the action by sending the message. I think this muddies things. You're relying on the common understanding of "attempted speech act", but that's an emergent concept some way remo

DIS: Proto: Truth of speech acts

2008-07-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Truth of speech acts Amend Rule 2149 (Truthfulness) to read: A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e believes that in doing so e is telling the truth. For the purpose of this rule: a) An attempted speech act is equivalent to a claim that th