Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-10-26 at 17:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Really, R1698 and R101 are the equivalent of "all your data will be lost, > > are you sure you want to proceed?" buttons. They make it hard to hide > > or accidentally make a game-ending proposal -

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-10-26 at 17:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Really, R1698 and R101 are the equivalent of "all your data will be lost, > are you sure you want to proceed?" buttons. They make it hard to hide > or accidentally make a game-ending proposal - but if an AI-3 majority > really wants to, they

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread Cuddle Beam
Just going to mention for no reason at all that I'm a pretty friendly person On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:37 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > The find 9 friends step might be the main obstacle. > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:36 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Gotta admit I've considered finding 9 friends and making th

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread Madeline
So that's why they're a protected action in contracts! On 2017-10-27 11:29, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I mean, if you have the power to pass any power 4 rule and wanted to troll, I doubt that this strangeness would be the first objective. Repealing all rules would

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread VJ Rada
The find 9 friends step might be the main obstacle. On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:36 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Gotta admit I've considered finding 9 friends and making them register > and buy stamps. It's not prohibited (only flooding "to increase voting > strength" is), if I did it fast enough I wouldn'

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread VJ Rada
Gotta admit I've considered finding 9 friends and making them register and buy stamps. It's not prohibited (only flooding "to increase voting strength" is), if I did it fast enough I wouldn't be stopped, and it would be the stupidest win ever. On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I mean, if you have the power to pass any power 4 rule and wanted to > troll, I doubt that this strangeness would be the first objective. > Repealing all rules would be pretty easy. We just rely on > people...not? Nomic-obsessed, extremely clever internet tro

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Madeline wrote: > This was a really awesome read, and also we need to bury it as soon as > possible before any lurking trolls make it their new scam objective. It's not any more dangerous than many things, really. R2140 means that Power-3 Instruments can amend Power-4 rule

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread ATMunn
Well, if this is not the most existential-crisis-inducing CFJ judgement ever... On 10/26/2017 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: CFJ 3580 statement: "If there were currently a power 3.9 rule purpoting to allow any person to destroy the universe by announcement, without defining the effect of this ac

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread VJ Rada
I mean, if you have the power to pass any power 4 rule and wanted to troll, I doubt that this strangeness would be the first objective. Repealing all rules would be pretty easy. We just rely on people...not? Nomic-obsessed, extremely clever internet trolls whose sole objective is to ruin peoples' d

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread Madeline
This was a really awesome read, and also we need to bury it as soon as possible before any lurking trolls make it their new scam objective. On 2017-10-27 09:01, Kerim Aydin wrote: CFJ 3580 statement: "If there were currently a power 3.9 rule purpoting to allow any person to destroy the unive

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I was with you all the way until the last paragraph. Thanks for making it that far... > Rule 101 states > this "Agora is a game of Nomic, wherein Persons, acting in accordance > with the Rules, communicate their game Actions and/or results of these > acti

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-26 Thread VJ Rada
I was with you all the way until the last paragraph. Rule 101 states this "Agora is a game of Nomic, wherein Persons, acting in accordance with the Rules, communicate their game Actions and/or results of these actions via Fora in order to play the game. The game may be won, but the game never ends.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3580 assigned to G.

2017-10-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > I think I can miss a nap to provide arguments for what is likely the > most important CFJ in game history. :) Thanks. That was worth the read. I won't ruin the surprise, but safe to say that (I think!) my own ideas on this case won't lead you to de